Shaun Deeb 100k to 1M 17% body fat bet with Bill Perkins

Celebrated the bracelet win with a few pizzas. Was drinking Zero Sugar Coke though.

I ate too many french fries. I have a disease.

Some people like being big

As a very general statement I think people have varying degrees of how much they want/desire/need to eat food-- think of it as an itch. Eating food or certain foods or whatever scratch that itch. I assume that "itch" is a function of a lot of things, but one of those things is definitely chemical. Your ability to not scratch that itch you could say is your will power, but two different people with the same will power might have different degrees of having that same type of itch, so despite the fact the will power is the same the itch is different.

I've been overweight my entire life, but taking tirzepatide (glp1 and gip) has effectively removed that itch which makes not scratching it (eating/excessive eating) *significantly* easier.

Not sure if my anecdote is of help, but that is my personal experience.

That's it in a nutshell. The 'itch' is a combination of appetite, food cravings, sensitivities to insulin and leptin, iand feelings of satiety - distinct setpoints for different people, through biological differences.

Bro, when you've hit rock bottom...quit digging.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

Yes, obesity is formally recognized as a chronic, progressive disease by leading medical organizations worldwide, including the American Medical Association (AMA) and the World Health Organization (WHO).It is characterized by excessive or abnormal body fat accumulation that impairs health. Rather than simply being a result of overeating or a lack of self-control, medical experts categorize it as a complex disease driven by genetic, biological, and environmental factors that affect how the body regulates appetite and fat storage.Recognizing obesity as a disease helps reduce stigma, shift public discourse away from individual blame, and improve patient access to essential treatments and medical interventions.

Sure everybody has to bear the consequences of their action and is responsible for them.

The idea though that everything is equally as hard or as easy for all people to do is laughable.

The point I am trying to make is that some things that seem very easy to you are very hard for others to do just like some things you consider hard are quite easy for other people.

Furthermore and I am just addressing you as one out of the crowd and by no means worst offender it is very obvious that since we have so many protected groups these days and you cant just go around being mean to handicapped people or queers anymore but there is one group of people you can beat down on and treat like **** as much as you want.

Thats fat people and you even feel good about yourself while doing it! As you can pretend you are giving tough love or some other stupid bullshit excuse for being an ashole.

Honestly its what ever, I dont care much.

Just really despise the tone deaf way people pretend like this is about anything but them wanting to be an ******* to someone without having to feel like an ******* or being called out for being an *******.

I agree

But I dont think anybody is disputing this right

I am. People are lazy, make excuses, cheat, and have a self-bias that they’re doing the right things, when they aren’t. Bottom line: If you take in less calories than you burn, you will lose weight. It’s impossible to not. If you stopped eating for 2 weeks, every human in existence would lose weight.

If human biology differed THAT much from one person to another, there would be no reliable testing for medications, food, vaccines, etc… you would have no solid control group to test against. It’s absolutely bullshit and excuse-making to say otherwise. Do the work and get the results. Yeah, it takes a while. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, good food is more expensive (still cheaper than getting takeout every night). But if you stay disciplined and consistent, the results will come.

I agree, I wasnt disputing anything you wrote there.
I said that I dont think anybody is disputing that its tougher for some than for others. But that goes without saying really, because no way its equally hard/easy for all people, thats just ludicrous. If you gain weight more easy you have to be more careful than someone who doesnt. Nonetheless if they do the right things they will for sure lose weight.

Just personally, if the act of not doing something solves the issue, I don't take this seriously. If you just have to not eat food, do drugs or drink alcohol and this cures the so called disease, this isn't a serious disease.

If you have AIDS, you got a disease.

The act of not doing something is about the easiest form of something out there. Lol.

Rather than simply being a result of overeating or a lack of self-control, medical experts categorize it as a complex disease driven by genetic, biological, and environmental factors that affect how the body regulates appetite and fat storage.

It is simply overeating and a lack of self control though.

Perhaps we go even more deterministic and say no one has free will fate is already determined.

Seriously namisgr77, we get it. You think the same thing about rapists too. It's not their fault, they have a disease.

Please stop posting your brain dead views.

You're attributing to me nonsense that I neither believe nor have posted.

My post that you quote is the position of medical academies of developed nations around the world - that obesity is a disease of loss of normal controls over appetite, food cravings, insulin and leptin sensitivities, and satiety. The abnormalities, in other words, have a pathobiological basis.

Your belief stems from the fact that you thought of it, and so believe it to be true. Other, more thoughtful opinions have used various types of evidence and come to the same conclusion as you. But as to the facts of the biological basis of obesity, and the position statements of several medical organizations, your opinion of those facts doesn't matter.

How much money do you want to bet on a body fat percentage contest?

Your call.

I was once an elite (like literally the top 1% of the top 1%) athlete with a body fat percentage that was unmeasurablely low at the time. While I am much older and not even close to being in the shape I was once in and have gained a few pounds, there is not a soul on this earth who would look at me and call me fat.

Your ignorance of the dynamics of how food interacts with our bodies and how our bodies are programmed to eat certain foods does not make me fat.

Do better because you are already looking dumb (with a b).

It isn't just being wired to eat more and feel hunger quicker. Many people are also wired to be attracted to certain types of foods that are a detrimental to their weight. Eating certain types of processed foods that are easily available makes the body crave more of those types of foods.

As for it being a choice, we first need to settle on what the word choice means. If a person does what thousands of years of evolution has programmed him to do and every addiction definition fits is it really a choice?

You know what, nevermind, you are right and the billions of people who are overweight, clearly know it, and still cannot help themselves are just wrong.

They are weak and you are strong.

Is that what you wanted to hear? Does that make you feel better?

That is the slippery slope fallacy taken to absurd lengths as well as offering up the fallacy of false choice.

Just because it is understandable that there are some addictions/attractions that are really hard to break and beyond the capacity for most people to break them doesn't mean we just need to accept it all and therefore accept all bad behavior.

There are other paths forwards.

I hope you are capable of more than just nihilistic, binary thinking.

Wrong. Literally as wrong as can be.

There is a reason people from other countries that are generally skinnier and do not have weight problems and then come to the U.S. and then gain weight. There are reasons that when the culture of highly processed foods (think of HFCS and such) are exported to other cultures they generally gain weight.

Unless of course you want to some imply that all addiction is just poor self control and discipline.

As for your comment about "fat positivity", you are creating a weak ass strawman. Do better or be laughed at. There is not a single person here who has urged others to just stuff themselves.

Imagine living in such a black and white world.

How pathetic.

*tuba noises*

LOL. It is clear you don't have a clue to the underlying science and are just talking to make yourself feel good (fatties are rapists so that makes you a good person because you are not fat) but let's pretend to take you seriously.

So let me ask you a few questions

What percentage of the population is obese?

What percentage of the population are rapists?

We don't need exact numbers, just decent estimates.

Why do you think the numbers you come up with are not even close to each other? Do you think it is just because we haven't fat shamed people enough so that they feel ashamed like rapists should or do you think other factors are involved?

Maybe if we just fat shamed enough people then obesity would go down and obese people would be as rare as rapists.

Yes, that was sarcasm.

I get you are incapable keep up with what was posted, but my post was direct and to the point of what was directed at me.

How is that tuba noises?

Are you really that incapable?

1 in 4 South African men admit to having raped a woman. Maybe culture actually is a problem. The only other option is that black people are more genetically predisposed to rape so pick your poison.

So if rape is so common in south Africa and so rare in the USA it must be culture.

So yeah maybe shame actually is the solution you brainiac!