Whiffed Flop against the Limpers: AJo in the HJ
1/3. Rake/promo/tip 6+3+3. July promo: Once an hour, one of the 60 people in the room will win on average $950. The promo has brought out the bad players.
V1 (covers) is a regular who loses thousands monthly with a VPIP/RFI/3B of 35/10/3. Postflop, she’s a calling station. She’s highly aware. She picks up tells, including the hero’s glance at the board when he hit the high hand. She adjusts her ranges according to position. She might read the hero better than anyone on the table. Her leak is she likes to play many hands and see people’s cards. She's a really nice person with a genuine smile.
V2 (covers) is a regular losing player with a VPIP/RFI/3B of 30/11/7. Postflop, he’s a calling station. He is not paying attention.
Hero (550) has a TAG image to V1. He has a whatever-image to V2.
OTTH
V1 open-limps UTG. LJ calls. Hero in HJ with AJo raises to 25. V2 in SB calls. V1 calls. LJ folds. 3-way.
Flop (66): 456r.
V2 SB checks. V1 UTG checks. Hero?
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This is a connected low flop that is not good for your range. Check back and generally fold the turn unimproved. You could be ahead with AJ high, but I don't know if you can ever bet this. You don't have some right to the pot as the preflop raiser with usually the best preflop hand.
I would overlimp the HJ as per my LRR method.
Against two calling stations on a board that shouldn't hit us / should often hit them, I think this is an easy give up postflop UI.
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First thing one needs to consider is ranges. What do hero and opponent(s) ranges look like given preflop action?
Second think one needs to consider is advantage. Who has the nut and equity advantage on this exact flop with their range(s)?
I think the answer to both of the above make this spot a clear ck back and you're going to give up facing future action (we get a little sticky if A or J comes).
PRE - whatever.
FLOP - bet $3, just one big blind.
TURN - check it back.
RIVER - if they check to you, and you haven't improved, bet 2/3 pot, or just check it back. Whatever happens, if you end up mucking, show one card at random.
Best case, you win when they fold, or win when you improve and they call. If they fold to your river bet, they'll think you had AA/JJ and they made a good fold.
Worst case, you check it back, they show some $hlt-tastic 2P or whatever, and they wonder if you had AA/JJ and they sucked out on you. Mega-bonus points if you bet $3 on flop and check back turn and river, they show 2P+, and you just show an A or J.
There's not much value to be had in this hand, but we can possibly create some future value by making our opponents think we might have played AA or JJ that way, so that when we have AA or JJ and play it the "right" way, they pay us off.
i have a feeling people are going to say this flop is bad for you, and technically the FLOP is. However that doesnt mean we cant get folds by the river. So instead of worrying about our range lets worry about theirs. Just bet small on the flop AND turn to cap them twice then bomb river for pot and probably get any single pairs to fold.
i have a feeling people are going to say this flop is bad for you, and technically the FLOP is. However that doesnt mean we cant get folds by the river. So instead of worrying about our range lets worry about theirs. Just bet small on the flop AND turn to cap them twice then bomb river for pot and probably get any single pairs to fold.
V1 is a calling station that reads the hero better than anyone in the room and V2 is a calling station. Assuming I believe the reads this is a horrible time to bluff.
V1 is a calling station that reads the hero better than anyone in the room and V2 is a calling station. Assuming I believe the reads this is a horrible time to bluff.
i ignored the reads since i dont trust people's biases, especially when they think they know how their image looks. If hero is so concerned with that then what he is posting this HH for? He has ace high with no draw multiway.
I disagree on giving villain’s the edge with this flop. When the flop comes middling cards (9TJ) it greatly favors the caller, but when it’s all low cards - I think the board returns to favor the aggressor. Just an opinion, don’t flame me
Still, the coordination is concerning, but these are bad players. I would bet $50 on the flop as per my style of finding out early who wants some. Who calls & the next card dictates what happens next.