The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched
Yeah, you cant pass the test.
I am 200 buy-ins plus below ev in 1M plus hands in holdem i dont know how its even possible lmao , they send me always like 150euros from winamax saying oh you got cheated but I literally never win flips and run like dog-****
Stars same thing. Ive come to conclusion they PVI players and if your like a 4bb winner they make you 1bb in real money and give your 3bb to losers to stay around longer.
Also the weirdest is in chico when the whale joins the game soooo frequently at 1k he runs his stack from 1k to like 12-15k any equity they have gets there. Like a whale only loses when they finally punt the money as bluff or do something complete insane but if they put it in with 4% its like 50% change they win. It's same PVI stuff.
Rich, I feel like the more information gets thrown your way the more it overwhelms you.
When you've been asked multiple questions you cannot answer a single one, so I'll keep this short so you can maybe understand.
You know poker is about beating the actual game of poker and not about completing tests on a sketchy staking deals site right?
Then again, you cant escape microstakes but can finish a fraudster test so I understand why your ego refuses to comprehend this.
Do you honestly believe this?
And warning, if you say you do that belief might be tested with a wager.
Because if you really really believe something you would happily put money on it. Lets see how sure you are about your claims or you will pussy out again when a little cash is involved.
So I'd love to hear how much confidence you now have in your statement?
In the meanwhile we can look for an impartial escrow 😉
I am 200 buy-ins plus below ev in 1M plus hands in holdem i dont know how its even possible lmao , they send me always like 150euros from winamax saying oh you got cheated but I literally never win flips and run like dog-**** Stars same thing. Ive come to conclusion they PVI players and if your like a 4bb winner they make you 1bb in real money and give your 3bb to losers to sta
What an extremely plausible story brand new account!
I for one believe every second of it without even needing to see any evidence, so well done for not delivering any.
Man I hate it when all the whales on chico run their stacks to 15k on 1k. Its something that really is happening every day and certainly not a fairy tale.
And I hate it as well when sites that dont have PVI actually "PVI you"
And man dont you hate it when people with 4% equity actually win 50% of the time, it sounds insane right. Too insane actually. Like really really insane. Like so insane I would actually need to add the evidence of this, which can be easily shown in a tracker, otherwise it would sound too insane. Well I wont so you just have to believe me. And those who dont are clearly shills.
And its really obviously true that they make 4bb winners 1bb winners and the fact that there are actually still many 4bb winners out there doesnt change that at all because I piss on logic and evidence and stupid **** like that
I dont want 150 dollars from winamax every time i get cheated I just want to run normal in my fairy tale games for once.
#teamlukadonkki
Rich, I feel like the more information gets thrown your way the more it overwhelms you.When you've been asked multiple questions you cannot answer a single one, so I'll keep this short so you can maybe understand.You know poker is about beating the actual game of poker and not about completing tests on a sketchy staking deals site right?Then again, you cant escape microstakes b
You keep saying the exact same thing. First of all, the test is not shady; it is absolutely GTO-based. Second, I am running extremely bad over a huge sample size, which is a mathematical anomaly. Third, there is no regulator to review my hand history. Consequently, I understand the game, I beat it, and I'm stuck at micro-stakes because I'm not convenient for the poker rooms. Maybe I understand GTO too well and exploit the regs and the fish too much. Also, I withdraw more often than I should, and I call it like it is. Yes, I am absolutely sure it is rigged, and you are just on the payroll. I am sure you don't understand the game at all since you refuse to take a GTO test. You are just a troll who is involved in a serious scam.
I stood behind my words and proved that I am a victim of a scam and that the poker rooms are scammers. Now you prove that you are not a troll and pass the test.
Whereas you keep on bringing in new refreshing stories??? LOL
I'm stuck at micro-stakes because I'm not convenient for the poker rooms. Maybe I understand GTO too well and exploit the regs and the fish too much.
I've never heard anyone say they are stuck at the micros because they understand GTO too wel and exploit regs too hard. You are definitely hilarious if not completely insane.
You proved nothing.
The staking method is sketchy and you are defending it, therefore you are a shill and on the payroll for upstakes (im sure you agree with this logic 😉)
Your bad run is not a statistical anomaly, I've shown the numbers to mutiple AI's and they said its perfectly normal. You just refuse to accept this.
Any regulator or anyone with a basic grasp of math will tell you the same.
Btw, if the regulator asks for your 1M+ sample you keep talking about, would you only show him the 167k one as well?🙂
So you are sure I dont understand the game? Why chicken out on any HU challenge then?
And you are sure I cant pass the upstakes test?
Lets see how much belief you have... Lets bet 1k that I can. Since you are sure I wont this is basically 1k free money to you. Who would pass up on free 1k?? Certainly a struggling microstakes player wouldnt 😀
So are you in or are you chickening out again?
Note that the test is on upstakes and not a pokersite so it cant be rigged in my favor like you claim our HU match would be
The only reason for you to deny this bet is that you dont stand behind your claims 😉
No man, I proved that I'm running horribly bad and, strangely enough, I always get bad beats in the mid-stage of tournaments, and that's over a huge volume of hands. It is a proven fact that poker is unregulated. So there is no doubt they can do whatever they want. There is no law to stop them. And I proved that you are just a troll who talks a lot but has zero arguments. I didn't see a single fact from your side. Just personal attacks. Clearly, the poker rooms have their little trolls lurking in the forums.
No man, I proved that I'm running horribly bad and, strangely enough, I always get bad beats in the mid-stage of tournaments, and that's over a huge volume of hands. It is a proven fact that poker is unregulated. So there is no doubt they can do whatever they want. There is no law to stop them. And I proved that you are just a troll who talks a lot but has zero arguments. I did
If the site you play on has T&C, (that you agreed to before you were allowed to play), it probably has a clause that states their Complaints Procedures, and one of them is almost certainly where you can take them to a court of law and sue them.
It should go without saying that if you believe the sites can do whatever they want, or if you disagree with the content of their T&C and their complaints procedures, then, obviously, your choices are either that you don't play on them, or, that you accept that you are taking a financial risk by playing on them. Full stop.
I have taken a quick look at the site but it seems like you have to pay before you tale the test for staking?
You really have a great radar for scams.
You keep saying the exact same thing. First of all, the test is not shady; it is absolutely GTO-based. Second, I am running extremely bad over a huge sample size, which is a mathematical anomaly. Third, there is no regulator to review my hand history. Consequently, I understand the game, I beat it, and I'm stuck at micro-stakes because I'm not convenient for the poker rooms. Ma
Oh so you are one of these guys who play perfect gto while exploiting regs and recs to the maximum.
No wonder the poker rooms are shaking in their boots.
You cant make this **** up.
I stood behind my words and proved that I am a victim of a scam and that the poker rooms are scammers. Now you prove that you are not a troll and pass the test.
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
And you are sure I cant pass the upstakes test?
Lets see how much belief you have... Lets bet 1k that I can. Since you are sure I wont this is basically 1k free money to you. Who would pass up on free 1k?? Certainly a struggling microstakes player wouldnt 😀
Just to reiterate
You are sure I wont pass the test
I want to bet on it
You chicken out like a scared coward even though if you truly believed what you are spouting its free money to you
😃
Its probably flawed thinking like this that keeps you stuck on micros and not so much that you are actually too good of a GTO-player while also exploiting all regs an fish. 🙂
I see one person posting evidence and facts and a bunch of shilltards offering nothing in return.
Let us know when you take the test Slugtard and how we can be confident it is actually you doing it.
I see one person posting evidence and facts and a bunch of shilltards offering nothing in return.
Let us know when you take the test Slugtard and how we can be confident it is actually you doing it.
So cute when Juicetard And The Gamehaters (sounds like a Free Jazz & Country fusion band) think anyone cares about them being convinced of a fair deal lmao.
I see one person posting evidence and facts and a bunch of shilltards offering nothing in return.
Let us know when you take the test Slugtard and how we can be confident it is actually you doing it.
What evidence? A 167k sample of running below ev in a mathematically proven normal way?
And all "facts" like he is struggling because he punishes players too hard and has a too well understanding of gto are just ludicrous.
You also think I'll fail the test made by sketchy stakers luring in new victims?
Maybe then you would like to bet on it and not be a total coward like your buddy?
I also offer you the 1k bet.
If you are as sure like you say you are, you will take it on.
Dont be a pussy like richkom.
You guys definitely need some lessons in variance (and facts)
Exactly the same player profile beating 2.5bb/100 over 167k hands with normal 6m st.dev of 100
Weird huh, how the better graphs prove this player is favored by the RNG while the worse graphs prove he is being screwed by the RNG even though its exactly the same player?
Well, thats because they dont. It just shows how results over relatively small samples like 167k hands are influenced by running bad vs good.
And then take into account that tournament poker is way more variance-heavy than cash game poker!
These numbers, those are facts. Yelling that you cant escape microstakes because multimillion dollar industries are holding you back because you whine about your results on an online forum aren't.
But im sure you will understand none of this and it all flies over your head 😀
1M hands legit graph mid-stakes (mainly 200nl-400-600-1k) over 4bb ev wr
in sportsbetting they put loads of money in hiring people who analyze who is winner and how big of a one and limit them to be able to only bet small same time they send bonuses and invite fishes to their sites this is just business optimization if you believe RNG companies might not be corrupt or poker sites might not run certain algos to see who is big winner and cut their winrates to keep others longer in circulation in 2026... time of AI you are being a bit naive. Why should the people in those industries be trusted Everything shows that in their interests is to pocket max amount of value from their businesses. I can still win in poker I'm not a sore loser. Just they decided give me low PVI ranking at pokerstars and winamax for example. Similar people think that Oh there is 0 corruption in say Sweden because we have a good country and honest people, lol.
I give you stake breakdown to show its legit graph. bit dated though
Winamax sends me refunds for players scamming me. Stars tells me I need help (we have tools to keep you in control). But i think they control me from winning this is like my recent 50k hands i threw in there to stars , lol , insane card distribution and run
chico RNG on chico is rigged, coin not. Those chico whales r insane at 5/10 they supposed to lose way quicker than what they do those marathons they crush the table like building 1k to 15-17k are absolutely bizarre crap i never witness in my life elsewhere and again i win there (this actually very recent results and much more on laptop) Coins rake nowadays just unbeatable so not interested in it.
sorry for spam (hard to conclude it all to one message), back in the day like before this AI era we had far less of the run-it-twice stuff (can argue pre-flop was played more passive less all-ins) but i hardly ever had a run of over 30 buy-ins below EV and sometimes was running above it for a bit. Nowadays i don't think running above EV for anything but like 1k hands is possible and if you are a whale you will very certainly run above EV. I am 99% sure sites are manipulating these things. You can win but not anywhere as much as what your supposed to.
In apps it all seems normal just like back in day that everyone will get lucky sometimes run below EV sometimes above etc. and those apps are different business model
ah just checked how this year is going lol , had not made an alias an this excludes a little bit of stuff but well trend is same, maybe i have some reasons to be suspicious, maybe...
ofc its crooked that u win in sporstbetting and site says we dont want u to bet ur not allowed to bet so ... its same industry as poker in practice ... if u win in poker ... why wouldn't they just keep u as a game maker / started / useful idiot but take away ur winrate well thats exactly how GG has weaponized it with their predator rake and coin followed ... but what have the competitors done nothing my thesis is they created based on what they track and see who wins at what EV a system of scaling winners and deviating the run to be averaged so that 1bb winner runs 1bb above ev on avg and 4bb winner runs on avg 2bb below ev and the big loser runs way above ev so they keep their ecosystems running smooth and well calibrated when having a leaking client base to GG which is taking players away at rapid rate. Its business ofc. they have reacted to competition and used tools to even the gaming field in their advantage.
winamax gives low rb but so much in cheat refunds :
Winamax has spotted a violation of the terms and conditions for using our platform, to the detriment of certain players. A sanction has been applied to the account in question and compensation distributed to the victims of this activity.
As part of one of the impacted games, you are eligible for compensation in the amount of 110.59.
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Winamax has spotted a violation of the terms and conditions for using our platform, to the detriment of certain players. A sanction has been applied to the account in question and compensation distributed to the victims of this activity.
As part of one of the impacted games, you are eligible for compensation in the amount of 129.65.
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Winamax has spotted a violation of the terms and conditions for using our platform, to the detriment of certain players. A sanction has been applied to the account in question and compensation distributed to the victims of this activity.
As part of one of the impacted games, you are eligible for compensation in the amount of 104.48.
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it is never ending and how this is calculated who the f knows how much was really cheated be interesting to know
Well when win rates go down the swings get more extreme. Thats not a surprise is it?
I have only given your data a quick look but saw nothing that would make me very suspicious.
What exactly is teh date you think indicates cheating?
I see one person posting evidence and facts and a bunch of shilltards offering nothing in return.
Let us know when you take the test Slugtard and how we can be confident it is actually you doing it.
Could you kindly point to the evidence that was posted? I must have missed it.
in sportsbetting they put loads of money in hiring people who analyze who is winner and how big of a one and limit them to be able to only bet small same time they send bonuses and invite fishes to their sites this is just business optimization if you believe RNG companies might not be corrupt or poker sites might not run certain algos to see who is big winner and cut their wi
So first of all what you say about Sports betting is not correct.
There is no crack team that checks win rates on casino end. Some of the biggest casinos that run their own sports book of course have some kind of security/ trading team.
For the most part this is not the case and they rely on teh security team of the Sportsbook provider.
Its quite basic. Often just because you win you will be limited even if you won on absolute punter bets.
It's more of a ban them all and let god sort them out philosophy than actually a deep dive in the numbers.
You are running bad, but nothing out of the extraordinary
Look at this variance calculator for precisely your stats, you are running just out of the 70% confidence interval. As much as it sucks I think every player encountered this multiple times and I dont mean to scare you, but it could actually be much worse. You should trust more in your ev winrate and know that if the site was rigging against you they wouldnt let you have that in the first place and know that EV is just part of total variance as well. They also wouldnt let you run hotter on higher stakes... So no need to play 37k hands at 20nl with those stats :p
These sites dont have a PVI
a PVI doesnt make you run bad or good
PVI is just the multiplier (for winning regs divisor) that affects the rakeback% on GG
GG is not beatable.
Thanks for your detailed response although its completely irrelevant and besides the point:p
You said stars & winamax gave you a low PVI.
That doesnt exist over there, only on GG.
Also (even if they had a PVI similar to that of GG) the PVI doesnt influence your runouts like you implied.
Apparently you dont know the sites that you play on well enough.
You don't know it but the matrix aka PVI is in nearly all sites. They control how much you can win.
