Daylight Savings
The house yesterday passed a bill to make daylight savings permanent and I'm curious for people's thoughts.
The US tried abandoning it in the 1970s and parents got upset that kids were being forced to wait for the school bus in the dark-- which I'm pretty sure kids still have to do under the current setup although a lot less often than would be the case if DST were made permanent.
Schools could of course just change their hours for the winter although that would seem to be a much more radical idea. I try to just wake up with the sun and have my life set up in such a way that time doesn't really matter, but ultimately I think having it be lighter earlier is preferred for me personally although economists say people will stay out later and spend more money if the sun sets later.
Lots of pros and cons to each and ultimately the US is too big and too spread latitudinally to have some uniform policy. Under the proposed law states have the ability to opt-out if they do it before this bill would go into effect, so if it were to pass you could end up with Florida and New York being on separate time zones for part of the year. As an Arizonan where that's the case between us and California that's normal but it would take some getting used to for others.
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Here in Canada we have the same issue more at a provincial level . As well in the summer the sun can rise at 4:30 in mid June and set at 11:00 PM while in the winter the sun will rise at 7:30 and set at 5:00 PM
The problem is a few provinces have gone with permanent DST instead of turning your clocks back and some have gone with the spring version
Add in British Columbia there is a small part of the province that is MST time and the rest is PST so when BC went to a permanent the other part of the province did not
Bottom line I like the idea of a federal mandate if its done but I like it left just the way it is so its lighter in the AM
as a parent of multiple elementary aged kids, I can say without reservation that DST has a destabilizing effect on kids, every time
sometimes it's dark at the bus stop; sometimes it's raining too
I'm happy either way.
I’m anti shifting the clocks forward and backwards. I don’t care what ends up happening so long as it stops that.
Whatever happens the airline industry will need enough warning. For international flights that are already booked, a 90 min stopover with time to change planes might turn into a 30 minute stopover with not enough time to get on the connecting flight.
Some flights might be easy to adjust, but connecting flights are like dominos, and it could be quite messy without enough notice.
As far as the DST vs no DST debate, so much depends on where you are in your time zone. Time zones right now try and mesh state and provincial and borders with those above and below them, and this has resulted in an imperfect system with many cities and towns in a state or province ending up essentially in the wrong natural time zone. That is before any changes to DST....
So, with the change to DST, you could end up with city X in the MDT zone seeing the change as just fine, while city Y in the very same time zone ending up with a very undesirable outcome for work, school, evening sports, etc.
Whatever happens the airline industry will need enough warning. For international flights that are already booked, a 90 min stopover with time to change planes might turn into a 30 minute stopover with not enough time to get on the connecting flight.Some flights might be easy to adjust, but connecting flights are like dominos, and it could be quite messy without enough notice.A
I feel like airlines could just lock the current flights in using their current UTC times although I'm sure that would create a lot of confusion for passengers.
havent looked into it but I would imagine being on the actual time that god intended and not this fake daylight saving bs is best for health and happiness. I guess consistency is better than changing it all the time tho.
havent looked into it but I would imagine being on the actual time that god intended and not this fake daylight saving bs is best for health and happiness. I guess consistency is better than changing it all the time tho.
I expected you to say its an Israeli conspiracy
I feel like airlines could just lock the current flights in using their current UTC times although I'm sure that would create a lot of confusion for passengers.
That would not work, Luckbox. It would bring clarity to what time "anything" is happening, but it doesn't fix conflicts arising from the US deciding not to roll back the clocks. It is the transition that is the problem. Flights are booked now by people for post Nov 1, 2026 travel and departure times are based on the assumption that the clocks would go back to standard times in most states. If they don't go back, then the airline could leave the flight at the same nominal time, but it would arrive in Europe (for example) one hour later than expected. So if you had a connecting flight within Europe with a tight window you could miss it.
Or, the airlines could move your flight to depart one hour earlier (lets say 800PM instead of 900PM), but then you might have another problem. You are scheduled to fly from Atlanta to New York to catch that flight to Europe, and if that flight doesn't do the same early departure, you need to get a different flight.
Nothing is insurmountable, but the aviation industry has noted that they have particular challenges in lining things up. If they have enough notice it should be workable, but of not it would be like changing a tire on a moving vehicle.
That would not work, Luckbox. It would bring clarity to what time "anything" is happening, but it doesn't fix conflicts arising from the US deciding not to roll back the clocks. It is the transition that is the problem. Flights are booked now by people for post Nov 1, 2026 travel and departure times are based on the assumption that the clocks would go back to standard times i
Fix all International flights regardless of point of origin or destination to GMT.
I am ok with keeping daylight savings.
As a family man who views this through the prism of navigating kids, I don't really mind dropping them off at school in the dark and would appreciate having the extra hour of sunlight in the afternoon/evening to do stuff.
Just ****ing pick one and stick with it.
As someone who works in broadcasting, it's a biannual annoyance. As someone who exists, it's a biannual annoyance.
Just ****ing pick one and stick with it.
As someone who works in broadcasting, it's a biannual annoyance. As someone who exists, it's a biannual annoyance.
Equally annoying to me is listening to folks complaining about resetting their clocks every six months.
Picking one and sticking with it seems to be clear +EV.
Why not make permanent....... split the difference and make a go of the "half hour....
As someone that lives in a place without it I love it from the perspective of sport that my evening summer sport ends an hour earlier than the southern states
