Nut Nut's Attempt At A Book About Politics & Society

Updates? Can we consolidate your musings back to this thread?

Thanks.

Sounds like you're saying we need an Adrian Veidt solution.

I didn't see this post back in December.

Perhaps these studies tell us something about the ability to generate initial public support for the idea of degrowth. But I don't think think they tell us anything about how durable that support would be. Degrowth was presented to respondents in this study in a mostly utopian way that would have made it relatively easy for respondents to imagine that any immediate negative consequences would be borne by "others" or "society at large" (with the latter impact being diffuse and barely noticeable). In fact, if such policies were proposed, I'm sure there would be immediate term pain, even if it was right thing to do for humanity over a 50-100 year time horizon. People would be firehosed with negative media reports. They would be battered with information about how the economy was worse than it was four years ago. They would be battered with reports about the futility of a few nations absorbing the short term pain of degrowth policies if other nations like China were not observing similar policies. They would be told that the U.S. was "falling behind."

Would public support be durable in that scenario even if it would be rallied in the first instance? It is not at all obvious to me that it would be.

It seems that a great deal of your posting is entirely related to skepticism of the general public's ability to adapt.

You refrain entirely from commenting on your personal wishes in this matter.

Would you prefer to live in a world where the public was able to cooperate and adapt or not ?

That's how democratic movements begin. It's a coalescing of what people wish for. But it requires that people have the courage to declare what they wish for. Something which you seem to lack.

In the other thread, I gave you several specific examples of my personal preferences.

You seem to represent an allegiance to the status quo.

In this instance, you are avoiding the direct question as to your preference.

Once again, do you prefer a public which is able to adapt and embrace degrowth policies or not ?

Maybe you change your name to "Mr Vague"

Maybe change your name to "Mr Nutbag"

Lol you literally said the same exact thing to me right before also asking me with your stern tyrannical voice if I was in or out with your bullshit.

Others don't need to agree with your preferred idiotic "degrowth" policies or else. You're not actually in charge of anyone else.

But again, your policies outside of FDR bits in the first half of your day are complete dogshit and more importantly don't guarantee a better environmental outcome, in fact, you'd very likely be torching the environment because 99%+ of human civilization is going to fight against it with their own industrial capacity if any of it actually happened in practice.

I mean, you'd have your men smoke me on day one, but you've got about another 6.5 Billion to go which would be a hell of a lot of work for your captains to manage which certainly wouldn't be good for emission levels. Which is the #1 issue I remind you.

I moved it here so it doesn't spill over into the climate thread or the Trump thread.

It's not ok to derive pleasure from the fear and anger of little girls.

Besides that, I genuinely appreciate the kind words and maybe we can talk a little more plainly from here on, but you made a comment that I thought was interesting ...

Please do not take this as some jab, as I believe this particular country has made some improvements since the 1990s for the lives of its people, but do you notice a similarity with a lot of the things that you say and the DPRK? A lot of what you have posited ... in regard to the collective body and personal desires serving the "environment" or "each citizen will be allotted credits to choose among the available items which will be sufficient for good nutrition" and of course the captains talk and registering folks is definitely from their playbook.

There are others here in this forum who believe that the DPRK are the good guys so don't feel compelled that you need to distance yourself or anything. I honestly just want to have the conversation about the much larger differences between those ideas rather than debating FDR using quotes that don't really align with that comparison. I really just hope we've progressed enough to where we don't have to go back to talking about how great Bernie ****ing Sanders is.

In Nuttopia, is there a democratic process to 'vote the rascals out' if the majority of citizens decide that this New World Order is a big crock?