The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched
Do you think anyone cares what you have to say?
This is you, telling blatant lies:
Asks the unimportant rigturd lmao....
I and other sites provided information that PVI is applied after cards are dealt to denominate rakeback. Therefore (using basic logic) it doesnt affect the runouts. If you cant comprehend this basic logic there is nothing I or society can do for you.
You are confusing chronology with causality. The timing of when a metric is calculated has no bearing on whether the variables used in that calculation are part of the dealing input loop. If the software uses player activity and rake data to determine PVI, and those same data points are used during runouts, then the two are mathematically linked regardless of when the PVI label is applied to the player.
You have described a timeline but you have not provided proof of mathematical isolation. Until you can provide evidence that the data inputs for PVI and the dealing of runouts are decoupled, your argument remains an unproven assertion.
You are confusing chronology with causality. The timing of when a metric is calculated has no bearing on whether the variables used in that calculation are part of the RNG's input loop. If the software uses player activity and rake data to determine PVI, and those same data points are used during runouts, then the two are mathematically linked regardless of when the PVI label is applied to the player.
You have described a timeline but you have not provided proof of mathematical isolation. Until you can provide evidence that the data inputs for PVI and the dealing or runouts are decoupled, your argument remains an unproven assertion.
I feel like I'm that guy in the kids show that says in english please.
PVI and the variables that determine it could be used for more than calculating rakeback.
Not an Earth shattering revelation but difficult for many in this thread to accept it would seem.
Slugant claims to have evidence that it definitely is not used during runouts but he refuses to produce such evidence.
I have, you just dont understand what evidence is or you understand the subject matter at all. Most likely because you're trolling cus I dont think anyone is that stupid.
But of that all one big deflection, the real issue is this:
Theoryjuicer claims I cant pass an upstakes gto test.
But when I ask him to put money on a thing he is so sure of he refuses to grow a pair of balls. Is he just saying stupid things for fun or is he broke? Probably both.
I have, you just dont understand what evidence is or you understand the subject matter at all. Most likely because you're trolling cus I dont think anyone is that stupid.But of that all one big deflection, the real issue is this:Theoryjuicer claims I cant pass an upstakes gto test.But when I ask him to put money on a thing he is so sure of he refuses to grow a pair of balls. Is
Can you quote me on that?
Or are you just another low rent shill making claims they can't substantiate? Hang on, we've already been there with you.
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I never said what you're claiming and nobody cares if you take a stupid $20 test. Nor does anyone care if you pass or fail it either.
Btw Juicetard, the mod you love to beg for infractions has asked you to substantiate your claims about a rigged deal or he will ban you.
Chop chop, Juicetard, get going!
I never said what you're claiming and nobody cares if you take a stupid $20 test. Nor does anyone care if you pass or fail it either.
You dont care huh. Whats this then?
Let us know when you take the test Slugtard and how we can be confident it is actually you doing it.
Do you think you are entertaining?
Maybe you could provide proof to help Slugtard out? Or maybe take the GTO test for him?
Still waiting on Slugtards proof for his PVI claim plus the results of his GTO test.
And when you scrape together that $20 in rakeback, let us know. Then you can take the GTO test.
Doesnt look like you dont care. It looks more like obsessed actually.
You seemingly stopped caring after you were asked to put money where your mouth is. Thats when the true coward you are showed up. Because you can make snarky comments like scraping $20 in rakeback all you want, but I am willing to bet any amount on it. You keep chickening out like a broke little girl.
Or are finally done being chicken? I'll wait 😉
Your routine has become incredibly boring TJ.
As soon as you add some entertainment value I will be happy to engage with you again.
Otherwise see you on your next gimmick.
Im just saying an affiliate with 2 or 3 posts praising a pokersite might not be super objective.
Of course you are gonna be kind to the hand that feeds you. Its understandable bias.
The irony is that the post you quote from me is in a thread where I am very critical of a poker room.
But I am a shill for online gambling right???
So Huh why would I be critical on a pokersite??? Surely they dont pay me to post criticism about them right??
Thank you for pointing people in the direction that I am critical of pokersites 👍
Maybe you can dig up my criticism of GG and WPTgold too and post them here, you are doing me a huge favor 😃
But you disregarded everything about the test by some weird coincidence
What happened that you were waiting eagerly for the test results, asking for them in around 10 posts and then all of a sudden you didnt care?
Could it be that you were asked to put money where your mouth is perhaps?
So still chickening out I assume?
I'll wait til your balls drop in😀
The irony is that the post you quote from me is in a thread where I am very critical of a poker room. But I am a shill for online gambling right??? So Huh why would I be critical on a pokersite??? Surely they dont pay me to post criticism about them right??Thank you for pointing people in the direction that I am critical of pokersites 👍Maybe you can dig up my criticism of GG a
To be fair, some of your posts in other threads are ok.
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of you and others in this thread. Demanding evidence of others yet providing none yourself.
The test was distracting from the main point, that you had no evidence for your PVI claims. So I dropped it. And I really don't care. You seem to care about it more than I do.
How are other posts OK if im a paid shill?
And the only hypocrisy is that you ask evidence, but when its delivered you either ignore it or misunderstand it instead of using basic common logic.
The PVI was actually distracting from the main point, that you chicken out like a little girl each time you are asked to put money where your ignorant mouth is.
You also really dont care but did make 10 posts about it sure. You are as unconvincing as you are a coward.
And unlike me, you have zero posts that are OK. Although reading back your thread and old posts do give me joy that you have been a whiny sad riggie at least since 2018. And geez that JTs hand was played badly and then you cry about a 35% underdog winning. Wow, you really have a grasp for the game 😃😃😃
Slugant, I know you're Dutch so English isn't your first language but my comment above isn't difficult to understand.
You provided definitions for PVI and zero evidence. That remains the case. I don't think you understand the difference between the two. Take some time away from here and look that up. Then get back to me,
For someone who claims to know a lot about poker you get very confused between RNG and runouts. Go back and read your posts. You're all over the place.
When you mature a bit and stop shilling maybe we can have another conversation. Until then you're a waste of time.
Donjohnnie Said; You are still too over the top no real person is that dumb. you have to make it believable on soem level.
Well playing him wouldn't achieve anything. you would lose 9 out of 10 times and think that proves its rigged.
But h/l being the hardest game online is amazing. Brother those are the softest games on the planet. Half the people you play against dont even know what a low hand is and the other half like you has no idea what the implications of there being a low hand are.
You are quickly closing in on TJ to dumb to not be a troll level of stupid.
The Waddy replies;
I think we have a new contender for 'total misunderstanding/misrepresenting what has been said'!!! Slugant you have a contender!
Perhaps if you are going to aggressively reply, understand what is being said first?
I described the hi lo heads against people who clearly dont know how to play
as the hardest games to win online, purely as the manipulated decks go into 'block overdrive' in these games. Anyone can see im describing these games as the hardest, purely down to the deck crazily helping them out hand after hand, when im playing clueless players.
Your reply? 'But h/l being the hardest game online is amazing. Brother those are the softest games on the planet. Half the people you play against dont even know what a low hand is and the other half like you has no idea what the implications of there being a low hand are'.
You are actually agreeing with me when i said with a real deck these games should be really, really easy.... if you take time to read things properly, you could save yourself the embarrassment.
DonJohnnie said;
HahahahaaHahah so if slugant beats you it means nothing because of the rigged deck. But if you get some weird star trophy that nobody in poker cares about even a little like 15 years ago that proves you are a good player?
You have wisely been avoiding for the most part to actually talk poker as the 2 times you talked about h/l strategy you made a complete fool out of yourself.
Why dont you post some hands and your thoughts on them. That will be entertaining and you might actually learn something.[/QUOTE]
I have never talked hi lo strategy on here. I did make a comment that when i hold 4 broadway cards and my opponent raises or reraises me preflop, there has been no single time that the flop has been anything but 2 or 3 low cards on my site.... ever. Which kind of proves to me that it is written this way, as there is no deviation from this... it is not possible that it can be random when i have NEVER seen any other combo land.
To which you replied that i was thinking 4 broadway cards was a good starting hand and this was down to my bad play!!!! It was an example of how a squewed deck performs, to which you decided to turn into some bizarre strategy statement.
You have also done a big 'hahahahahahahah' about suggesting playing Slugant. But then you seem to agree with me that it would be pointless, in that it simply proves nothing either way. If you could explain what you think each outcome (me winning/him winning) would represent, id love to hear it. Or maybe do another 'hhahahhhahahah' and get everything wrong again.
Oh and the revolving star at Sharkscope, it proves my friend that your statement of 'im clueless at hi lo' tells you that i have a clue. Or have i got that acknowledgement from an indepenedent stats site, through playing clueless poker online and winning big? Now theres a thought!
You would have to admit either i know how to play hi lo to a good standard OR im in fact clueless and have been able to win big using an online deck....
which one will you pick, im happy either way!!!
Lets have a look at the paid site defenders laminate may look like, that they will have to stick to at all times;
1 Any talk of the RNG not performing to odds, ALWAYS ask them to prove it. This is the number one priority, as its something they wont have the funds to do and this must be requested repeatedly.
2 Belittle and publicly condemn people writing about the RNG discrepancies. NB any condemning does not neccessarily have to be true, as long as its effective. This will discourage them from further posts and get those weaker ones sitting on the fence on your side. Remember, its easier to side with a bully and this is key to having the forum under control.
3 Deliberately misquote and misunderstand anything they use to support their case. This will deflect from the subject and engage in conversation away from the points being made.
4 Repeat steps 1-3 in reply to any new comment. Steps 2-3 may be used for those who are taking longer to 'go away'.
Your $50 will be paid monthly into your nominated bank account.
The riggies also have a 5-step program btw
1. Suck at poker
2. Cry about sucking at poker
3. Complain on a forum that they are cant win because of the rigged RNG. Often with theories that could very easily be proven.
4. Dont show the proof.
5. Cry some more.
There unfortunately is no cash prize but at least your ego doesnt have to accept the reality that you are not good enough at poker. And who could put a price on that.
And lol at you thinking people will do this for $50 a month. I know you probably will since you've HAD businesses but most people come on a poker forum because they like the game. And TJ already was so kind to post my criticism on a pokersite so there goes the theory of me defending them at all costs. Thanks again TJ, you are a helpful little girl.
When you mature a bit and stop shilling maybe we can have another conversation. Until then you're a waste of time.
When you mature maybe you grow some balls and stop chickening out on the bet😉
The guy who claims he doesnt play online poker yet has almost 700 posts misunderstanding online poker actually has time to waste? I find that hard to believe
You havent been a total waste of time though. I've been reading up on some of your older posts and they are really making me laugh. You play a hand badly and then cry about losing it. You've been getting quality advice for 8 years now but it just wont land.
This is a strategy forum, if you want to post bad beats please do so in the correct forums.
If its low stakes you played hand one bad and believe it or not queens will lose sometimes. As Pcallinallin pointed out you want fish to jam 30bb with 44 when you hold QQ, if you can't handle bad beats you proly shouldn't be playing in the first place.
Just found this gem.
So you are a whiny rigtard after all, lol.
The 8 years of self torture must have gotten to you. It shows.
You were probably in nappies when I played those hands, If you'd bothered to read my follow up you'd have seen this:
Well done Clouseau. You were able to click on a user and find previous posts.That post is an example of asking a math question and getting a bunch of people throwing accusations. There was a time when people were happy to try and break down such questions in a mathematical manner.It's a simple question, how often would you expect to be eliminated from two consecutive tournament
Some things never change. You're just not very bright and that's me being extremely polite.
Did you ever find any evidence for your claims that PVI doesn't affect runouts? Remember that? You claimed the evidence was everywhere yet acted like a total clown when asked to produce it.
Low rent shills indeed.
You were probably in nappies when I played those hands, If you'd bothered to read my follow up you'd have seen this:Some things never change. You're just not very bright and that's me being extremely polite.Did you ever find any evidence for your claims that PVI doesn't affect runouts? Remember that? You claimed the evidence was everywhere yet acted like a total clown when aske
Juicetard seems very angry about the fact that he can't win at poker due to lack of skills and discipline....I wish I could join your live table, although the stakes you "play" live are probably laughable.
As usual your assumption is wrong
And as usual it could have been prevented by 1 minute of "research"
Your hands date from 2018.
I have many hands here from 2010. You dont have to be Clouseau to find that out.
But you keep playing your nappie stakes 😉
Thanks for your detailed response although its completely irrelevant and besides the point:p
You said stars & winamax gave you a low PVI.
That doesnt exist over there, only on GG.
Also (even if they had a PVI similar to that of GG) the PVI doesnt influence your runouts like you implied.
Apparently you dont know the sites that you play on well enough.
It was fun exposing you for the low rent shill you are. But I'm bored now.
If you ever find any evidence for the claim above be sure to post it here.
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You won't.
We're finally in the 'rigturd declares victory before disappearing into non relevance forever"-phase. Thanks Juicetard, you were a great laugh.
It was fun [b]exposing you for the low rent shill you are[b]. But I'm bored now.
If you ever find any evidence for the claim above be sure to post it here.
Please provide evidence for this claim
All you did so far is quote my critical posts of coinpoker debunking the idea that im shilling
You were always bored. Of course you are. You dont play online poker but come here talking about online poker like you have even the foggiest of clues.
Maybe if you get too bored and have some spare change left you can take on the bet instead of cowarding out each time 😉
