Bellagio has a policy where you must adhere to your chop/don’t chop policy

Exactly. It's always people who do grimy **** that causes rules to be passed that complain when they get passed.

[QUOTE=PointlessWords;58589979]Basically if you choose to chop you have to continue chopping, if you choose not to chop you have to continue not chopping

Has anyone else experienced this? There is no way it is legal to force customers to bet or not bet in the future , before the hand is dealt.

Sometimes choppers are the nut low. Well done to Bellagio for putting this in place. Sadly some people will crawl over broken glass just to "steal a blind".

The floor can ask you to leave and every poker room would be better without sometimes choppers. They should be sent on their way

What I do if it is a reg trying to sometimes chop is to call the floor and loudly ask the floor to inform the villain that sometimes chopping is a scummy move. The floor refuses to pass on the message but it is still obv received by the villain.

What if you don’t chop when there are only 4 or 5 players? A lot of regs regularly chop in those situations.

Also a lot of inexperienced players are selective choppers because they just don’t know any better. If they don’t know what a chop is, good luck trying to get them to chop pocket kings. They didn’t come to the casino to chop hands like that.

Try explaining to them why they are supposed to chop JJ+ and AQ+ and they will look at you like you are literally trying to cheat them.

Fortunately you know they have a big hand when they REALLY don’t want to chop.

I’d prefer that they just ban chopping.

Concur. Problem solved.

So some people here are pissed about what they perceive as the casino forcing a player to bet, but you're fine with the PLAYERS forcing someone to bet?? smh

Can a casino add a rule that the hand is dead if both blinds are heads up pre-flop unless both players want to play out the hand?

As we all know .. at least most of us .. a 'mandatory' Straddle can only be put in place when the Players agree to it.

Also, when you're 5-handed you only need 2 Players to Straddle front and back to cover 4 of the 5 Button positions (in rooms where both UTG/B are allowed).

And as stated above .. the casino is not forcing anyone to 'Bet'. They are forcing the Player to 'Act' on their hand, which includes Folding.

I've yet to see more intel on the actual policy here in this Thread and haven't taken the time to call. Is it per Player or per Table? And a new question .. since the SB acts first is it 'their' choice that matters or is it a combined initial choice of SB/BB. So a Player might Chop when in the BB, but not Chop when in the SB? GL

OK .. So I called them .. Talked to Floor B.

1) They will allow both a Chop or No Chop decision.

2) The 'agreement' is between the two Players in the Blinds. And you can decide to have a different agreement when in BB or SB.

3) You can change your side of the arrangement EVERY ORBIT as long as you inform the affected Player prior to deal of the hand when a Chop may occur.

A) So while there's (hopefully) an 'agreement' between BB/SB, either Player can flip it as long as they give notice.

B) I'm actually seeing this as a way to potentially tilt a Player, especially a BB who wants to Chop and is now forced to play or give up a BB.

C) The stipulation of 'notice' is key in an effort to keep the game moving, thus (hopefully) reducing discussions during a hand and ultimately a Floor call. GL

You would probably word it differently but I don't see why not.

You could even force the SB to raise or fold unless at least one player ahead of them has entered the pot. The blinds checking down a limped pot is just an absurd waste of time.

Probably could but you just inverted the problem. You did not solve it.

Already have games that force SB to ‘raise or fold.’ EG1…a 1-2, 5 to open game. EG2…many 4-8 games here use what they call “player friendly blinds”. So the blinds are 1&2 instead of 2&4. In both cases a limp call by SB forces BB to put more money in to play.

I will say in full ring 4-8 limit, ‘no foldem holdem’ it is rare to not have at least two limps befor SB acts. Plus they allow Btn straddles and some try to take advantage of reduced blinds by always straddling. Thus chops are extremely rare anyway.

I do not understand how anyone is getting bent out of shape about chops, one way or another.
at most, it saves the small blind from completing one out of every 8 orbits.
or if a player doesn't want to chop, who cares

this is way too much emotional capital already

This has been in place at Bellagio (or at least as a unwritten rule) since as far as I can remember.

It's always been loosely enforced because the situation would need to occur multiple times and then it all goes to **** when the table gets shorted handed or the person to your left steps away for a few.

Selective chopping annoys people and leads to arguing. Not with me but I've seen it more than once.

Arguing kills the vibe at the table. Same as unnecessary floor calls over minor stuff.

the local indian casinos drop the minimum house rake of $1 before the hand is even dealt so that messes up the low limit 'chops'. They are also the gaming commission also so good luck arguing with them.

Yep. If I lose a pot then I’m less likely to chop. If I win then I’m more likely. If you beat me in a pot then we aren’t chopping.

No one else is bothered by this policy because they don't do the ridiculous things you do.

Ok, I get it now. You never chop.

Well now it makes sense. People like you are the reason they made this rule.

I don't like this at all, why not just ban chopping and make things easy?

I've always chopped but I'm thinking I won't anymore, just to tilt the nit regs and OMCs, and I don't have to explain to someone new to poker why they have to chop every time or not chop at all.

I once knew a player who's chopping preference was flexible, but I couldn't really call it douchebaggy either.

He figured chopping was so rare that the way he did it was that if the first time chopping was an option, if he was in the small blind he offered a chop and then continued to chop the rest of his session with players on both his left and right. If the first time it came up he was in the big blind, he would refuse the chop rightly figuring that position was huge. He then refused to chop with anyone the rest of the session.

Basically he was consistent within the session, but variable depending upon his position on the first chop.

At $1/$3, a players who change their decision on whether to chop or not chop is a huge hand strength tell.

Why get angry about playing with a player who is clearly telling you that they have a really strong hand?

If a player who previously was willing to chop suddenly doesn't want to chop, it is really likely that their whole stack is in play if the flop hits you hard.