Bellagio has a policy where you must adhere to your chop/don’t chop policy
Basically if you choose to chop you have to continue chopping, if you choose not to chop you have to continue not chopping
Has anyone else experienced this? There is no way it is legal to force customers to bet or not bet in the future , before the hand is dealt.
Thoughts?
I once knew a player who's chopping preference was flexible, but I couldn't really call it douchebaggy either.
He figured chopping was so rare that the way he did it was that if the first time chopping was an option, if he was in the small blind he offered a chop and then continued to chop the rest of his session with players on both his left and right. If the first time it came up he was in the big blind, he would refuse the chop rightly figuring that position was huge. He then refused to chop w
Seems fine to me as long as it's not based on the strength of his hand.
At $1/$3, a players who change their decision on whether to chop or not chop is a huge hand strength tell.
Why get angry about playing with a player who is clearly telling you that they have a really strong hand?
If a player who previously was willing to chop suddenly doesn't want to chop, it is really likely that their whole stack is in play if the flop hits you hard.
yeah that's kinda my point. during my trip I had people say "no I can't chop, my hand is too good." pretty clear fold, or you know they have a premium hand.
OK .. So I called them .. Talked to Floor B.
1) They will allow both a Chop or No Chop decision.
2) The 'agreement' is between the two Players in the Blinds. And you can decide to have a different agreement when in BB or SB.
3) You can change your side of the arrangement EVERY ORBIT as long as you inform the affected Player prior to deal of the hand when a Chop may occur.
A) So while there's (hopefully) an 'agreement' between BB/SB, either Player can flip it as long as they give notice.
B) I'm
When I was told the rules #3 was not an option. You couldn’t change your decision
I don't like this at all, why not just ban chopping and make things easy?
I've always chopped but I'm thinking I won't anymore, just to tilt the nit regs and OMCs, and I don't have to explain to someone new to poker why they have to chop every time or not chop at all.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
This is really an etiquette thing. Selectively chopping is bad etiquette but shouldn’t be against the rules
I think selective chopping is bad in general.
But this specific rule is so idiosyncratic that it hardly seem worth actually implementing.
Played there yesterday and the dealer didn't say anything (but we did) to a woman who played her SB when she had QQ but then wanted to chop the next time with rags.
It seemed like she didn't understand the etiquette part of it it but the dealer never stepped in.
Played there yesterday and the dealer didn't say anything (but we did) to a woman who played her SB when she had QQ but then wanted to chop the next time with rags.
It seemed like she didn't understand the etiquette part of it it but the dealer never stepped in.
You don't really need the dealer to enforce that, do you? Why didn't the SB just say he wasn't going to chop with her anymore?
This is really an etiquette thing. Selectively chopping is bad etiquette but shouldn’t be against the rules
agreed
Played there yesterday and the dealer didn't say anything (but we did) to a woman who played her SB when she had QQ but then wanted to chop the next time with rags.
It seemed like she didn't understand the etiquette part of it it but the dealer never stepped in.
whats worse, what she did, or telling her that she did something wrong?
You don't really need the dealer to enforce that, do you? Why didn't the SB just say he wasn't going to chop with her anymore?
chill rob with the slam dunk
Yeah, to echo several others: wgaf. Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.
People who chop selectively are usuall just inexperienced and who cares if they make some trivial etiquette breach?
People who get all bent about it and have a story about how some guy wouldn't chop aces with then 8 years ago, or have a big speech about how if you chop once you'd better always chop or else, are also fish.
Chop bans are ok, but I'd prefer mandatory chops in raked games, though I doubt that would ever happen.
Yeah, to echo several others: wgaf. Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.
People who chop selectively are usuall just inexperienced and who cares if they make some trivial etiquette breach?
People who get all bent about it and have a story about how some guy wouldn't chop aces with then 8 years ago, or have a big speech about how if you chop once you'd better always chop or else, are also fish.
Chop bans are ok, but I'd prefer mandatory chops in raked games, though I doubt that would ever happe
pretty much everyone at the table (including the dealer) admonishes players for playing their good hands in the blinds and then folding the bad hands.
I think anyone who has played enough to know what a chop is should easily understand why it's not cool to do it selectively.
I think anyone who has played enough to know what a chop is should easily understand why it's not cool to do it selectively.
I have absolutely no problem with people chopping selectively. None. Ever.
If they are chopping selectively, they are literally showing you their hand, you 100% know they are strong. Furthermore, (and most importantly), people who refuse to chop are 100% likely to be unable to fold post-flop, regardless of the action. You are getting huge implied odds. Hit hard , take their stack. Miss, fold easily without any second thought.
To come back around again .. this had to have been an issue discussed by whomever set up the Room Rules. Probably causing undue delay in table bickering with probably Floor calls involved. There's at least one other Rule that's associated with this Room that I've never come across in any other Room. So the fact that's there's more than one 'off the wall' Rule should shock you less IMO.
As with late Straddles, PF/Dark OOT Action or any other spot that Players may try along the way the enforcement by the Dealer will vary .. not shocking.
Ordinarily I'd say that Bellagio may pick up some games due to Cesar's closing their Room to make way for High Limit Slots (while the HL Slot room gets a remake), but I would suppose that Cesar's is going to try and send Players to Paris/HS since they will already have tables set up over there. GL
