Diamond in a Day - CET Total Rewards

Your link is Bossier. I don’t think Bossier is doing 10x. Pretty sure Bull looking to go to Lake Charles. LC is doing the 10x but definitely only 2x on VP. In the fine print.

I'm at Eldorado in Reno and 10x seems to be active here today. I swiped my card and opted in.

Not sure how much I will grind for TCs, as it still seems steep to get diamond.

Related question. When they say "earn 1 Tier Credit for every $10 wagered" at VP, does that mean every $10 into the machine, or every $10 wagered in active bets? Would seem to be a significant difference since you can play a lot more than $10 worth of bets for every $10 you put into the machine.

Yeah, Bossier's doing the 10x for a week as well with no VP reduction anywhere in the fine print.

Every $10 wagered on VP earns 1 tier credit, unless otherwise marked on the machine.

If you started with zero Tier Credits, you'll need to run $14k on VP through the machine to get to diamond, 1400 points total during the 10x with at least 1000 in one gaming day. 1400 + 1000 bonus for getting 1000 in day = 2400 + 12600 (1400 x9) =15000. Two 500-point days and a 475-point day will also = 15000.

Remember on the 10x you get the TC you earn on a given day multiplied x9 to give you 10x your initial earned TC. The multiplied TC will not be applied to your total until a week or two after the promo ends.

So he was better off not wasting any money on a game that doesn't pay tc.

Does that pay 1 tc/10 bucks?

This was the original post about the strategy.

Thanks, I thought I saw it there while back but then last week I could not find it.

To Bull again I would skip LC and do either Bossier or Biloxi. Depending on where coming from. Personally I prefer Biloxi.

I’m going to play this coming Sunday at Danville for their 10x TC promotion. Goal is to get 2500 TC in a day for 30,000 TCs total. I’m planning to play VP, but if something like electronic roulette is reasonable, I might try it.

But in my experience those sort of games convert to TCs very poorly. The house edge on double zero roulette is 5.26%, so if it pays 1 TC/$5 like slots, they are a better option than slots. But if it’s 1 TC/$10, that’s obviously worse than VP.

I have done electronic baccarat for TCs before at 1 TC/$45, but sometimes that can be a decent choice if you can play it with no variance. I don’t think I’d play at that rate to get 2500 TCs; it would be a guaranteed loss over $1000. (And I have no idea if they have this game at Danville or how many TCs it pays.)

I'm intrigued by Danville if you got a trip report at some point.

I’ve only been there once, over New Years, but I posted a report from that trip in the Danville Venues thread. I’ll just copy it here:

I think this strategy is only for someone looking to build credits expecting to lose an amount they can project mathematically but it may be slightly more or less. With VP you can obviously actually make money or lose money but expecting exactly 95% return on coin in we know is not likely, a cold streak could be brutal, or a royal could be great. I tried the e roulette quickly on two occasions with boyd properties and with an extremely small sample size of spins I saw very close to -5% loss.

I took another trip to Danville. The 10x is running. I didnt see the Game King version of roulette. Of the few machines that they have they only include Poker, Keno and Slots. For those playing video poker the JoB isn't 9/5 or 9/6. Its only 7/5. At 25c and max bet ($1.25) it takes 8 hands to earn one Tier Credit.

It makes sense, I’m honestly surprised the game hasn’t been taken off the machines in Vegas. The strategy is obviously understood by casinos which is why they don’t let you play it on automated machines. If people start using it more to boost TC’s they will get rid of it, especially if you can theoretically push your bets all day by getting lucky. They just figure anyone playing digital roulette is a fool degen and not chasing credits.

This roulette "hack" is for people who don't want to grind VP and don't mind sacrificing a few hundred dollars in EV, correct? I want to make sure I'm not missing something.

Correct, I guess you could get $11k through a VP machine in 30 min….maybe $100 a hand.

at 100 a hand you could do it in 10 mins.

As the OP of the "Pokeyman Push" digital roulette tier credit hack - yes, it is a strategy designed to minimize the cost of obtaining tier credits for diamond status. Similar to the good old days when you could purchase diamond status by signing up for the Founders Card. IMO, less downside risk overall than video poker, although I'm sure some would disagree.

Wow. Is this what you should do? At some point it seems that you're at risk of losing more than you're getting for having diamond lol. Is there any sort of recommended denomination? .25c at max takes forever.

I played 9/5 JoB VP at the high limit bar when I was there around New Years. Have they removed these machines or changed the game?

It's true they don't have 9/5 at the 25c level or anything close to it. I only found it at the $5 level ($25/hand). But if you are trying to get several thousand tier credits, you can't really play at 25c anyway.

You realize your response is self contradictory. You agree that VP is better EV but roulette cost less. As to which is true, I don’t know because I am not sure everyone is talking from same data. But it isn’t hard to calculate. Just need pay tables and TC ratio for both

Theoretical downside risk is easy as only based on TC ratio. But the realistic max downside, say a 95% confidence level or similar is again, just a math problem

There is always that risk. There is a theoretical risk you lose every hand you play. But that risk is infinitesima. OTOH, the odds of hitting no royal flushes is quite high. On average that cost about 2% of EV.

The denom isn’t directly important. The pay table is but generally higher denom often has better pay table. I agree that at 0.25 take forever but also seldom has the best or even a good pay table

The higher the denom the fewer hands needed and the better the pay table. IMO the denom to play is the lowest denom that has the best pay table but at least $1. This has the best EV but since more hands will statistically run closer to EV This gives less downside risk on average.

This is often going to be $5 or $10 but can be higher. Personally I would never go higher than $10 because too many wins are hand pays which slows down the process. There also becomes an issue of feeding the cash if there isn’t some kind of electronic means but this is a minor issue

I think it's true that VP will have a better EV but greater "downside risk" than e-roulette or other electronic casino games.

In a game like roulette or baccarat, your mean and median loss will be about the same. You're basically betting on series of coin-flips, so it will closely resemble a binomial distribution.

In VP (at least JoB-type games), the "upside risk" is highly concentrated toward times when you hit a royal flush. But in any given day, your chance of hitting a royal is petty low. On the great majority of days, you loss distribution will still be somewhat normal, but it will be a distribution centered on the EV of the game minus the value of hitting a royal (which is usually around 2% of the game's value). So your median expectation will be around 2% less than the overall mean EV of the game.

But if you can find a decent VP, this will still be a better bet most of the time than roulette. A VP game that pays 98% will still pay 96% when you don't hit a royal, which is better than the 95% EV of double-zero roulette.

That said, you can't completely eliminate risk playing VP. When you don't hit a royal, you may only get 88% back, or you may get 105% back. And there can be ways to almost completely eliminate risk on the games, so you can guarantee losing exactly 5% on roulette.

But I assume most people who want to get a Diamond card want to get it to play poker, and for many, poker tournaments. The payout for VP will be somewhat similar to a poker tournament, where you lose most of the time but get a big payout a small fraction of the time. And if you are willing to play poker tournaments, why wouldn't you be willing to tolerate a similar risk profile when playing VP?

I inquired what the TC were for WSOP buy ins - this is for 2024 events and posted it earlier in this thread

"I have received the information you were looking for. Approximate Tier Credits Earned for WSOP Events in 2024:

$600 - 75
$777 - 80
$1000 - 100
$1500 - 145
$10000 – 595"

I doubt ((but don't know for sure) if they are multiplier eligible if you time your buy ins correctly.

You named a strategy you didn't originally come up with after yourself? Why not call it the "Tippytoe Lemontree Strategy"?

While a great name, the "Tippytoe Lemontree" strategy is probably already tradename protected by Seinfeld!