View: The way to crush live nitfests nowadays games is being a good LAG or maniac
There is a player at my local casino who’s been nicknamed the Phil Ivey of our hometown. He is not a pro. He has his own business and a massive bankroll but I believe he is the biggest winner here. He doesn’t study solvers. He’s a really good “feel” player who is fearless and goes off his reads and punishes all the nit TAG pros who rely on solvers. None of the pros know what to input for his range for their solvers so they don’t know how to play against him. They tend to fold and let him take down pot after pot. Sure, occasionally they’ll lay a trap for Phil to walk into but the amount of pots Phil takes down uncontested and the times he gets paid off on an over bet shove more than makes up for it.
Some regs like playing with Phil when they can short stack and think he is a spewtard. But they always run once they chip up because they know Phil will put them to the test.
I would advocate aspiring pro poker players to learn to be like Phil instead of being a nit who relies on solvers. Study people, grow a bankroll and some balls.
Do you have a Phil in your home casino too?
“Live players never fold”—players who rarely 3bet, never check raise without the nuts, and never bet more than pot.
I mean that’s just not true, low stakes players overfold in many many nodes, hell it’s prob their biggest leak
You might be right OTF. Maybe even pre (though they limp call way to wide usually) but if you bet pre and otf and they call, few will over fold turn and esp not river (unless they missed a flush or straight draw).
Sure there are some, myself included, who will over fold. But that is simply because I am taking a nut pedaling low variance approach. I will certainly bluff and semi bluff occassional. Sometimes even a triple barrel. Usually against certain players, not the I am here to gamble crowd, after I have established an image that I always have it.
Could I have bigger nights playing looser (which is more GTO), sure but it comes with a drastically higher variance. Sure getting it in getting 2:1 with 35% equity is +EV but doing it for 300 BB isn’t eorth the variance given how soft the games are.
Agreed, but it is not an exploitive adjustment to GTO as deemed necessary in this discussion.. Well it might be but it is an extreme adjustment.
Ofc even the term nut pedal is inaccurate as I have never seen anyone truly completely nut pedal
I like to nut paddle
i bet u do
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He alleged their are better exploitative players that make more than well studied theory players. I make between 16-17bb/hr at standard 2/5 live games and would probably make 20bb/hr at 1/3. So these players who he is alleging are so gifted exploitatively but for some reason don't move up would presumably make more than that
Where did kvnd go? He came to this thread to flex his dong about how much better he is than every single 1/3 player in the world and how he makes 16-17bb at 5/10NL and higher. Then when he got asked some very real questions he tucked his dong back in and disappeared. Im positive hometown Phil would crush him in a HU match.
Where did kvnd go? He came to this thread to flex his dong about how much better he is than every single 1/3 player in the world and how he makes 16-17bb at 5/10NL and higher. Then when he got asked some very real questions he tucked his dong back in and disappeared. Im positive hometown Phil would crush him in a HU match.
I just left because I thought it was pointless arguing with a bunch of shitty live players who use the incorrect "gto doesn't work in live poker" as an excuse not to do actual effective work to improve their extremely low skill level
Excel spreadsheet delivers. [x]
Is "GTO doesn't work in live poker" the equivalent of "Jiu Jutsu doesn't work on me"?
I just left because I thought it was pointless arguing with a bunch of shitty live players who use the incorrect "gto doesn't work in live poker" as an excuse not to do actual effective work to improve their extremely low skill level
If we take 5/10 as an example and assume on average 35 hands are dealt per hour that’s total of 78 845 hands played on that limit thats 2.85$ per hand or 285$ per 100 hand which is 28,8BB per 100 hand, nothing unbelievable, it seems realistic and reasonable winrate for live crusher
Do you play strictly GTO style or more exploitative? are there many bluffs in your arsenal or play more safe and solely value betting?
I used to have an affi who used to show his poker success in excel sheet. Not a single losing month either.
Beginning of every year he used to find a new super juicy app game which he played for 1-2 month and always won 40-50k and rest of the year was well earned holiday.
But when I stopped raking for him, he stopped answering to me.
I just left because I thought it was pointless arguing with a bunch of shitty live players who use the incorrect "gto doesn't work in live poker" as an excuse not to do actual effective work to improve their extremely low skill level
I'll stick with my slightly lower hourly win rate in live plo over a bigger sample having never touched a solver. And I'm on a 30k downswing the last 3 months.
There's a lot of money to be made as " a shitty live player" and I have tons of extra time not studying solvers for hours on end away from the table. That just doesn't seem remotely fun or nessesary to me.
I'll give you credit for having a very good win rate so you should keep up what you're doing. It obviously works for you.
I know people who study as much or more than they play. They can say their hourly is X but their actual hourly as far as when they're working is half of x or less and they never account for that. To each their own I guess.
The GTO approach probably does work at higher stakes live.
I don't know what OP is talking about nitfests. Maybe higher stakes games with mostly regs or tournaments? Most 1/3 and 2/5 games, you have multiple players seeing the flop. At 1/2 and 1/3, you have oversized open raises. These games are very loose/passive, with huge pots compared to the money in preflop. You can beat through 2/5 playing very solid and doing a lot of nut peddling. However, it may be better to be somewhat unpredictable and make plays in the right situations. It isn't at all like tournament, where there is fighting for the blinds and antes.
Agreed, but it is not an exploitive adjustment to GTO as deemed necessary in this discussion.. Well it might be but it is an extreme adjustment.
Ofc even the term nut pedal is inaccurate as I have never seen anyone truly completely nut pedal
GTO, by definition, cannot be exploited.
What you want to say is adjustment, i guess.
