Cheating on the gulf coast

by wsopcrusher69 k

Donovan dean

vegas : 28 cashes total
wins : 0
top 3: 2
total cashes : 382476

Choctaw: 13 cashes total
wins : 4
top 3: 6
total cashes : 213178

Cherokee: 58 cashes total
wins : 4
top 3: 7
total cashes : 994315

data from Hendon mob 2016-december 2024

https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=479578

The Hendon Mob

Donovan Dean

primarily only played tournaments with buyins between 100-600 other than circuit main events from 2016-late 2021

2016-2022 wins : 2 for 80,957 total
2022-2024 wins : 10 for 1,326,129 total

What's the point of posting this?

So one random hand where a dude jams 25bb out of the BB vs a villain that is raising close to 100% of hands there is enough to keep you from ever playing a venue again? Sounds like you're just looking for a reason not to play.

Donovan has a knack for getting "gifts" because he's extremely active, aggro therefore he always gets paid when he has it.

Again, not saying he is or isn't involved(I don't even recall his name being posted itt), but this hand in particular is grasping for straws

What’s the buy in for this donkament where bad play isn’t a given?

Looks like winner of the 6-max event (200 runners) is “friends” with this stable and “runs hands by each other”, Stanford comes in 6th but somehow he has no profile on wsop.com…..

Sounds like you support cheating.

Oh my gosh.......this has to fkn stop!! You have to be kidding me with this post. You have now thrown Donovan's name into this......yet once again we have someone who is HIDING behind their keyboard making vague accusations against real people. This is NOT OK!!! Have you played poker at a serious level or are you just a donor who puts no work into the game and always complains of being card dead? This hand against Donovan is not even remotely questionable if you paid any attention at the table while others were playing. Donovan is a habitual opener and 3 better. One of the best spots in poker with a 20-25 sized stack ( because you still have fold equity ) is to jam over a frequent opener. This spot is very positive EV, and the cards you hold in your hand are meaningless. It just so happens that Donovan was at the top of his range and it was an easy call from him. There is nothing here to write about, and if this makes you stop playing in Tunica......good bye don't let the door hIt you in the arse!! The fact that you went out if your way to "report" this to a TD is special!!!

What in the Hell to Heaven are you trying to say here? You are calling out Russell for winning and being friends with Preston? Now, that's a crime? Why wouldn't you run by hands with Preston.....he has one of the best poker minds in the game. What are you trying to say here? This is NOT OK. Who are you? You are so brave to call out people at will, but yet you hide behind a keyboard. You have something to say, say it like a man. While this post really really pisses me off, I am more than willing at any stop to talk one on one with anybody that is uncomfortable with a team of players. That part I get......but they are in no ways cheating, dumping, have deals in place with dealers or doing anything that I have ever witnessed against the rules in place.....and I play against them many many times in the past.

You guys need to stop with all this. You say they win all the time, and it's just so easy for them? You say don't quote your Hendon Mob because that doesn't state your net winnings. That is correct. 100%. So, if that's the case your argument cant be both ways. You DON'T SEE how often they lose. Believe me all the guys named here LOSE ALL THE DAMN TIME. IN fact they lose way more than they win. You just don't pay attention to that. Names become familiar when you see them so often. That doesn't mean they are winning every tournament. I mean, really.....you expect the WSOPC to run so many tourneys a year and various names won't win more than others? That's just silliness. Of course there will be players who work hard, and are good at live tells, and are skilled at the profession they call their career to show up more than average people like me. That DOES NOT CONSTITUTE CHEATING, it's all pretty damn standard. I am not part of any stable, but I do know these guys well from the competition on the felt. Just like I did when I played ball. I got to know my competitor's that I respected off the field pretty well to. I also pick the brains of people in my business world who are successful all the time. It's called brain storming amongst other things. This is standard practice, and a highly successful tool. Here in this damnation post its called cheating. Last thing I am going to say is.....if you are calling anybody else out by name you need to name yourself.....if not keep it to yourself. I stand by Cody, Preston, Matt, the Dealers and the others for the most part named here as great players, and good people. If that's what you call "strange behavior on my part" so be it. That's your damn problem, not mine. Again these false accusations make my blood boil, and I am venting here....but.....again if you are in Cherokee and I am there I would be glad to have a calm man to man discussion about any of these topics that make anybody here uncomfortable. I have zero skin in this game. Poker in not my livelihood. I'ts just my hobby. I love the game, and it pains me to have so many blast the game , and friends I have made on the felt unnecessarily. I am not bemoaning your concerns. If you feel a certain way about things you see, it is absolutely your right to have a concern......but finding people guilty without complete knowledge of the situation and calling out people by their names is just super harmful and NOT OK!!

I stated no opinions in my post, just facts, and quotes were words from the article on wsop.com. If you have no skin in this game, then why would anyone need/want to meet with you at any circuit stop to discuss things that you have no skin in? Thats laughable.

I did make a mistake, Stanford came in 7th*

Oh wow i played with you this weekend. Dude im not sure what you saw or didnt see was accurate or not, but man how u treated some of those female dealers were borderline abusive! They should of sent you out and told you to never come back. Also, get a proper size shirt and pants, noone wants to see your pudgy belly or the crack of your ass!

Agreed. I’ve never met Mr Dean but the earlier poster bringing his name into it on a standard hand where he raises AQ with a large stack and bb jams most likely seeing Dean raise many hands due to his stack and near end of reg is a joke. Then this other guy posting his Hendon cash stats like it shows something is a joke.

Please, do tell how that comes off as me supporting cheating. To do so you will have to think a dude jamming 25bb with 92s vs a 100% pfr is cheating

[QUOTE=alansacks;58873939]What in the Hell to Heaven are you trying to say here? You are calling out Russell for winning and being friends with Preston? Now, that's a crime? Why wouldn't you run by hands with Preston.....he has one of the best poker

Alan why put do much effort into this? I'm sure you have recognized by now that this person and a good portion on here seem to just be jealous. Just sounding like a jealous bar gamer thats upset and wanting to throw anyone out there that's winning consistently!

Hell, I'm jealous myself for my damn name not being in this damn thread and Donovan made it... WTF!! I guess I have to step my game up! 😵*💫

The only piece in this entire thread for real "could" have been potential chip dumping which I personally haven't seen with these guys. But now you guys have decided to just go all the way off the reservation lol 😆 😂

The having a stable argument is valid and I personally don't like playing against it but it's not cheating and part of the game. Until someone has some type of valid proof I too stand by Cody, Preston. Walker, etc etc. And now .... damn Donovan lol

Again, I reserve the right to change my opinion when some type of legit proof is provided but Until then this post has gotten ridiculous..lol

As for the hand with Donovan... damn we at this point now??? Oh and now you are a cheater if you win a tournament and have talked to these guys?? Lol lol 😆 🤣 😂 Well dammit it's my turn. I need to make it on here next!!!! 🤭🤭

Anyway, back to Donovan.... I WOULD'VE JAMMMED ON HIS ASS TOO ***** LUCKBOX!!! 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭 If you had any idea wtf he 3 betting and opening with and halfway knew how to play poker you would understand!!!

Donovan how you get on here ... lol YOU MADE IT MAN!!!!! 🤭🤭🤭🤭

It's absolutely okay to wonder or ask questions if something to you doesn't feel right but the ones that are speaking in absolutes and outright accusing specific people, dealers, and organizations while hiding is just lame.

Oh and what is the purpose of posting Hendon Mob stats? Just wondering? If that's the case post everyone should post theirs. Now, I bet that would help tell a story on this thread lol 😆 🤣 😂

Oh and I'm CJ -ATL not hiding behind no keyboard like a......If you are going to be absolutely accusing people step up and tell them to their face or at least don't hide behind keyboard.

CJ-ATL 💯

I don't know CJ. I was done with it until I saw them drag in Donovan and Russell. That just got my blood boiling and I couldn't keep it inside. It's obvious some have agendas and some have valid concerns. Just naming others names and not your own is just not ok with me.

I totally feel you on that. That's lame asf which further shows they are just jealous and never win! Now, your name is brought up as a potential cheater for just knowing or talking to someone? Just ridiculous man..

No one is jealous of a group of guys sharing action in $400 tournaments who, self admittingly, only do so to 'feed their families'. lol, get over yourselves.

Yea not sure which is funnier - saying people are jealous of a bunch of likely cheaters who even if they are on the up and up can't afford 400 dollar buy ins despite "crushing" poker for years

Or the idea that 92s vs AQ was cheating or chip dumping.

Just for clarification from your last sentence. You are now accusing Donovan of cheating by insinuating being chipped dumped to? That you know it was chip dumping not just someone attempting to make a move? You absolutely know this for certain..... Just for clarity.

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No I clearly stated that wasn't chip dumping and it's laughable to think it was chip dumping.

Just as laughable as the idea of people being jealous of long time poker players who can't afford to play 400 dollar events on their own dime.

Just because I think it's extremely likely a stable cheats doesn't mean I think that hand is chip dumping at all.

I'm jealous that they can't afford the 400 buyin but still remain fierce competitors. It takes heart to do that lol

Have a stable may not be technically cheating, but it is a huge red flag to everyone else. Sure everone may be playing on the up and up, but there is a huge incentive to cheat that doesn't exist among strangers.

Anyone who has played poker for any reasonably length of time should know that calling someone down (for all of your chips in a tournament) with J high is a huge red flag. It is so obscenely abnormally crazy that it should automatically raise red flags. Is it definitive proof? Of course not. No one can get in the head of another and precisely follow their thinking, but it strongly hints at chip dumping. Ridiculously hints at it.

Then throw in the fact that it is done by two players who are known to work together in the same stable and it throws it over the edge. Playing in a stable together provides obvious benefits, even legally within the rules. However it also comes with responsibilities. Poker is not a team sport. Doing stuff like calling someone in your stable down with J high for your tournament life is not on the up and up. It is absurd and definitely shows collusion and chip dumping. Period. Full stop. Arguing otherwise just makes your look like a moron in addition to a cheat.

It is also telling that the person who got called down by J high from a friend doesn't even try to defend the play. All they do is deflect and distract. They talk about everything other than the hand and how they got called down with J high by a friend. Distract. Distract. Distract.

Finally, it is quite telling how many of the perpetrators have come out in force claiming innocence.

In the world of poker tells there is a rule that an absurd show of strength is really weakness. The absurdity of the defense here is a clear tell.

If you want to really want to be supportive, please explain how one person with an interest in another calls someone down with J high fir their tournament life. Otherwise you are just contributing to the absurdly faux show of strength.

What did he do? Please elaborate. I bet you can't.....

LOL at the degree people are willing to look like idiots in order to defend the indefensible.

A call with J high is never ever 50% correct. Especially in a tournament. Just because you are willing to look like an idiot doesn't mean we are all willing to nod along and agree with you.

His story was straight. What part didn't you understand?

LOL that has to be the funniest post in this thread. Congrats.