Doug Polk 100k challenge
Doug Polk is going to try to make 100k in a month one tabling mid stakes (3/6) poker on ClubWPT. Can he do it?
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I think the criticism of his results is unfair tbh, it's one small sample and doesn't define his ability as a poker player. As for him commenting negatively about the site, if he said it was fantastic then ppl would just say "well he's gonna say that isn't he".
I have never signed up to any site because of what any pro or promoter said. Try before you buy, you like it you continue, you don't then walk away and move on.
Hes ride or die GTO in every spot, rarely deviating when it's obvious he shouldn't be bluffing a river based on the opponents tendencies in certain spots.
Is he running bad, no doubt, but his over bluffing is costing him thousands in basic give up spots.
I'm now questioning how hot he ran against Negreanu.
And the beat goes on.
He went on chicago joeys podcast and confidently announced he was going to play some tiny hand sample and crush at 40bb/100 or whatever. It's just funny it went the other way. What is it actually in terms of buyins or bbs? like a 15 buyin downswing or something? And he's playing 200bb deep?
Yea it's meaningless but he probably should stay away from the ring tables considering he was never able beat 50nl back in 2008 or whatever.
That’s pretty absurd, he did fine playing 6 max after he got no hu action. Just because he struggled early on in his career doesn’t mean he can’t crush full ring today on the softest site ever lol
These games are mostly with antes too which help his play style.
The idea that one of the best HU specialists in the world can't beat full ring because he couldn't beat it before he became one of the best HU specialists in the world is laughable.
Why? He was an elite heads up specialist but they're different games. Doug never beat 6 max 50nl even pre black friday. He failed again to beat micros ring in 2016 or whatever his last challenge was and had to switch to tournaments. He never claimed to be good at ring games either afaik, said in the past he has no idea what ranges he's supposed to be using when he's playing live etc.
But the fact that doug seemingly can't beat 6max 50nl isn't especially relevant since he's playing mostly heads up currently.
Am I in the twilight zone? What the **** are you people talking about?!
What he did almost ten years ago has absolutely zero relevance. Shall I link Doug's post where he says he can't beat any format at all and is asking for help? Want me to dig up Linus' frustration post where he says something similar?
You guys really go out of your way to hate this man and it's pathetic. You cannot be this dumb. Your time would be better spent googling what variance is and how it applies to poker.
Doug has even said on his streams that he thinks he’s down lifetime at full ring. Said it himself that he’s too spewy and his brain is better suited for the “next hand next hand decisions” that are required for heads up
Doug has even said on his streams that he thinks he’s down lifetime at full ring. Said it himself that he’s too spewy and his brain is better suited for the “next hand next hand decisions” that are required for heads up
that has nothing to do with what he did in 2005. i also don't believe he hasn't won millions in live FR games, so that statement probably isn't even true. how did Doug hurt you? maybe you're just jealous of his success and wealth. it would make a lot of sense.
have you learned anything in life since 2005? i'd hope so. the argument is ****ing braindead.
Obviously lol sample size but your kind of spazzing about people applying how he played 10 years ago being meaningless yet applying the same timeframe to support Doug still being a dominant player. When was he last a full time player, 10 years ago? Of course he doesn't need to dominate to win in these games, but I would be curious what his true win rate is.
Heaved forbid anyone say anything not overtly positive in a thread, about, Doug.
Dude, chill. I like Doug and actually enjoy his content. I don’t understand why you’re getting so defensive of him. I just think it’s a tough look to go on a podcast saying you’re going to destroy these games and win 100k in a month and be down 35k over halfway there. That’s all. I’m not arguing that variance likely has a great deal to do with it.
And that’s a statement that he himself said, I’ve been watching his streams because they’re entertaining to have on in the background. Why would I lie about that?
that has nothing to do with what he did in 2005. i also don't believe he hasn't won millions in live FR games, so that statement probably isn't even true. how did Doug hurt you? maybe you're just jealous of his success and wealth. it would make a lot of sense.
have you learned anything in life since 2005? i'd hope so. the argument is ****ing braindead.
Here you go. Straight from Doug himself:
https://x.com/DougPolkVids/status/176761...
This is about streamed games, but the sentiment he said during his challenge the other day was the same. And he did he say believes he's down lifetime.
Let's do so me back of the envelope calculations.
Let's say he's played 14 days, 8 hours a day, 150 hands per hour. That's 17,000 hands. Given that I could be off in those assumptions, that could be anywhere from 10,000 to 25,000 hands. That's nothing.
If's he's played two thirds of those hands at 20NL HU and he's lost $25k there, that's 1250 BB. So, he's probably losing 5-10BB/100 right now over a very small sample size.
Let's do so me back of the envelope calculations.
Let's say he's played 14 days, 8 hours a day, 150 hands per hour. That's 17,000 hands. Given that I could be off in those assumptions, that could be anywhere from 10,000 to 25,000 hands. That's nothing.
If's he's played two thirds of those hands at 20NL HU and he's lost $25k there, that's 1250 BB. So, he's probably losing 5-10BB/100 right now over a very small sample size.
I agree with everything you guys are saying with the variance and low sample size. It's just a tough look when he was on Ingram's podcast saying how the players were mouth breathing vlog watchers and he was worried about being accused of chip dumping with how bad they are. I also understand that satire, memes, and exaggerating are part of his brand (and what makes him entertaining), so I get that you have to take what he says with a grain of salt.
Anyway, I've spent enough energy on this. Curious to see where he winds up after the 30 days. He did say that if he winds up emptying out the rest of the WPTgold bankroll he might tap out (has about 34k left in there)
Obviously lol sample size but your kind of spazzing about people applying how he played 10 years ago being meaningless yet applying the same timeframe to support Doug still being a dominant player. When was he last a full time player, 10 years ago? Of course he doesn't need to dominate to win in these games, but I would be curious what his true win rate is.
Heaved forbid anyone say anything not overtly positive in a thread, about, Doug.
disputing "evidence" by explaining that what happened 10 years ago is meaningless does not mean i'm using the same timeframe as evidence that he's now a dominant player. i'm dumbfounded how you concluded that to be honest.
he may be losing player vs the weakest opponents on earth (i doubt it), but we have no idea because the sample size is too small. again, some people ITT are clueless as to what variance entails. i do not care one way or the other if he is the best player in the world or the biggest whale of all time. i'm being objective and it seems to have confused you.
hate on Doug all you want but don't be an ignoramus when doing so. i'm very far from a Doug fan boy and always have been.
It's at the very least amusing that doug's first microstakes challenge and now this aren't going well, especially given people always needled doug over his 50nl results. Am I saying there is any truth to the allegations? No, he's well within the range of normal variance especially given the 200bb deep and pushing every +EV spot he sees. But many recreational poker players are asking questions. Doug may need to do a microstakes challenge to clear his name. 50nl was the final boss of the micros and he skipped it. He may have to go back billy madison style and right the wrongs of the past.
It's at the very least amusing that doug's first microstakes challenge and now this aren't going well, especially given people always needled doug over his 50nl results. Am I saying there is any truth to the allegations? No, he's well within the range of normal variance especially given the 200bb deep and pushing every +EV spot he sees. But many recreational poker players are asking questions. Doug may need to do a microstakes challenge to clear his name. 50nl was the final boss of the micros an
+1 to Billy Madison (+Coneheads) stream.
50NL challenge with a bald head would be just as demeaning as it would be fun 😀
Yeah most haters come at it from the wrong angle.
Given the amount Doug has dished out in the past, anything is fair play, but at least be creative.
In the end of the day poker is gambling and just because you are good player does not mean you gonna win. I didn't pay attention how good are his opponents but even if they are terrible it's still small sample and Doug is not a player that really likes to deviate from his baseline strategy so he is even less likely to produce big edges over his opponents so that will increase variance even more.
I wish Doug will continue streaming acr or what ever is available to him, just for entertainment purposes and to market upswing. He is getting a lot of viewers as is.
People wouldn't probably be this vocal about the results if Polk didn't say the games are super soft. He will turn it around anyway, but this rough start is entertainment at its best, would've been so boring if he absolutely walked it.
Like another poster here said he takes the GTO lines to the extreme. Some of his bluffs were really unnecessary. I think you can remove a lot of the 150 blind river jam bluffs in a 20- blind pot (a little exaggerated. but you get the point) from the playbook and be just fine. It is kind of funny, he will be holding complete air and be like "Damn, RNG came up 7 I need to jam here", when he knows deep down he is getting snap called.
Started as a $3/$6 challenge, playing $25/$50...
Down another 25k as of now. Total red ink -63k.