[Global Poker] Unofficial Discussion Thread

so true, Lloyd. there's a lot of mouth breathers running around the streets of Global. on one hand it makes the games pretty good. on the other hand, we get post from said mouth breathers like the above stuff. always a delicate balance, I guess.

You guys are reading things into this that just aren't there. Let's first take the example of RTP for slot machines. If they say that they return at least 95% to players, then that means that the software is programmed to return 95% to players. It doesn't mean that in a given hour, day, week, month or year it will be exactly 95%, and it doesn't mean that they return 95% to each player. It means that some players will get a lot more than that, some will get a lot less, and in some time periods it will be less and some time periods it will be more. They don't have to rig - or change any particular outcome - in order to make sure it converges to 95%, it is simply designed to converge on that percentage given the millions of spins that occur.

Now, let's look at poker. Let's say that every hand in a cash game is raked at 5% with no cap. Then it doesn't matter who wins or loses any hand, or how big the pot is, the RTP is going to be 95%. But there is a cap, and hands that end preflop have no rake. Which means that the RTP is at least 95%. It would never be lower than that. There is absolutely no way they can rig hands that will have any impact on that. The RTP is across all players, there is no need or interest in returning a certain percentage to each player. If they NEVER rake more than 5%, which they don't, they will NEVER return less than 95% to the player pool.

What about a SNG? If there is a 10% fee, then they are returning about 91% to players. Again, it doesn't matter who wins any hand, or who cashes in the tournament, the RTP is going to be the same. In an MTT it may vary a little, because there might be rebuys and add-ons at have no rake, and they can't know ahead of time how many people will do that. Regardless, if the initial fee is 10% then the RTP will be at least 91%.

I'm not going to say that I know Global has a perfect RNG. I have no idea. I'm just saying that if some person in customer service uses the term RTP for poker it does not in any way suggest that any hands are rigged. I have played on there for about 4 years, at a wide range of stakes, across NLHE, PLO8 and PLO. I have seen a lot more weird things happen at the lower stakes, because at the higher stakes people know how to play and most hands don't even get past the flop. I have read countless anecdotes from players describing what must be a rigged hand. But I've played on a lot of different sites and people have said the same things about all of them. Maybe they are all correct - but my guess is that this is just how poker works. We notice the things that surprise us negatively, forget about the ones that surprise up positively, and don't even think about the ones that are routine (which is the vast majority of hands).

this is class, lost my old Account many years back. it will be great if this forum includes a like button as well

oh.. they already have;

Man, it's not a question of rigging at the moment. The game is probably fair.

But Global Poker staff misleads clients.

"If they say that the return at least 95% to players, then that means that the software is programmed to return 95% to players."

If a player make unprofitable decisions in poker he will never return 95% of his bets.

I took the first explanation that i found: "In the gambling industry, RTP is a term used to describe the percentage of all wagered money that a casino game or slot machine will pay back to players over time. In other words, it’s a measure of how much money you can expect to win back from a game in the long term."

A poker player can't expect any return without taking into account his gaming level and profitability of his decisions. In slot machines - yes, he can.

It's a pure misleading.
"Commission of a room" for poker - applicable.
Return to player - is not.

Or do you mean "commission of a room" and "return to player" are the same? It is not the same, man.

They say something like "Hey, man, let's play in our poker room and you will get 95% of your buy-ins back!". Is it normal in a society outside poker forum in real life? No it's not. It's called "unfair trading" in law of many countries.

A single slot machine player cant expect any return either. But as a whole population, "slot machine players" can over time.

No specific player can expect a return on an MTT buyin either. But as a whole population, the players get back ~91% of their buyins for that MTT.

They may be tip toeing legal lines by operating this way, but its the unregulated US online poker market. Tip toeing legal lines is the norm.