[Global Poker] Official Discussion Thread
Hopped on today and the Global Poker section is not there anymore.
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Twice today Ive flopped a set, going all in and someone calling with nothing to catch runner runner for a straight like they know its coming....just another day on Global Poker.
Another flopped set L, raise with kings from SB, BB reraises, and I push and he snap calls with ****** Q 10....flop comes J 3 K and you already know how the rest goes.....**** this site cant wait til WPT opens.
There is a thread I made about this; but posting the content here as well.
Global Poker Poker Tables have RTP. (right click, select magnify image if it's too small)
WTF! If the images provided in comment #942 are authentic; then Global Poker is admitting that the outcome of hands is manipulated. RTP sounds like what the gaming commissions require of slot machines. That they must pay out a minimum percentage of the money played. Is that what Global Poker is stating? That they have a minimum pay out standard. If that is the case then how can the outcome of a hand be truly the result of a randomly generated deck of cards?
This is wild if true about the RTP. It's the rng rtp. Groundbreaking.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."
This is almost certainly a case of a customer service rep not understanding the difference between RNG and RTP or how they apply to different casino games.
To a layperson, it's easy to just say, "Yep, we use random thingamajigs in our poker games" without any real grasp of what those thingamajigs actually do.
That said, Global's track record on game integrity is abysmal. The Project Baby scandal alone should make anyone think twice about trusting them. But I highly doubt the game is rigged in the way Mr. Big Stack is implying.
Ty for acknowledging how ground breaking this potentially is.
I feel like I've done the leg work that I'm able to, but many users are going to require GP CEOs stating as much as stated in the screen caps.
(Can bring a horse to water; can't make them drink).
I do think more work needs be done. This is like pointing to smoke coming over the tops of the trees and saying there is a fire coming from that direction. It's not the fire itself, it's the smoke that signals a fire is there.
The problem you have is there are several good players who's sharkscope graphs go straight up and bad players graphs that go straight down. The sample of tournaments they play is huge too. If the RTP theory was correct then neither would occur. I can also confirm the graphs that go straight up are live mtt players. I follow them on X. I can DM a few screen names if you want. Not interested in posting their names.
One more thing you haven't considered is sweepstakes laws ( I believe) are required to be games of chance. I think Global is saying these things about poker on purpose so they can offer these games. They operate in a grey area so they bend the rules
Do not change my post again, I don't care what you're doing with photo shop or cut and copy. You need help, clearly you've lost your mind. Mods my post was made to look like I typed something I didn't
If you spent more time studying preflop ranges and ICM instead of posting riggie posts you'd probably be winning more. Dudes banned for a reason but still gets to post incessantly.
so true, Lloyd. there's a lot of mouth breathers running around the streets of Global. on one hand it makes the games pretty good. on the other hand, we get post from said mouth breathers like the above stuff. always a delicate balance, I guess.
WTF! If the images provided in comment #942 are authentic; then Global Poker is admitting that the outcome of hands is manipulated. RTP sounds like what the gaming commissions require of slot machines. That they must pay out a minimum percentage of the money played. Is that what Global Poker is stating? That they have a minimum pay out standard. If that is the case then how can
You guys are reading things into this that just aren't there. Let's first take the example of RTP for slot machines. If they say that they return at least 95% to players, then that means that the software is programmed to return 95% to players. It doesn't mean that in a given hour, day, week, month or year it will be exactly 95%, and it doesn't mean that they return 95% to each player. It means that some players will get a lot more than that, some will get a lot less, and in some time periods it will be less and some time periods it will be more. They don't have to rig - or change any particular outcome - in order to make sure it converges to 95%, it is simply designed to converge on that percentage given the millions of spins that occur.
Now, let's look at poker. Let's say that every hand in a cash game is raked at 5% with no cap. Then it doesn't matter who wins or loses any hand, or how big the pot is, the RTP is going to be 95%. But there is a cap, and hands that end preflop have no rake. Which means that the RTP is at least 95%. It would never be lower than that. There is absolutely no way they can rig hands that will have any impact on that. The RTP is across all players, there is no need or interest in returning a certain percentage to each player. If they NEVER rake more than 5%, which they don't, they will NEVER return less than 95% to the player pool.
What about a SNG? If there is a 10% fee, then they are returning about 91% to players. Again, it doesn't matter who wins any hand, or who cashes in the tournament, the RTP is going to be the same. In an MTT it may vary a little, because there might be rebuys and add-ons at have no rake, and they can't know ahead of time how many people will do that. Regardless, if the initial fee is 10% then the RTP will be at least 91%.
I'm not going to say that I know Global has a perfect RNG. I have no idea. I'm just saying that if some person in customer service uses the term RTP for poker it does not in any way suggest that any hands are rigged. I have played on there for about 4 years, at a wide range of stakes, across NLHE, PLO8 and PLO. I have seen a lot more weird things happen at the lower stakes, because at the higher stakes people know how to play and most hands don't even get past the flop. I have read countless anecdotes from players describing what must be a rigged hand. But I've played on a lot of different sites and people have said the same things about all of them. Maybe they are all correct - but my guess is that this is just how poker works. We notice the things that surprise us negatively, forget about the ones that surprise up positively, and don't even think about the ones that are routine (which is the vast majority of hands).
You guys are reading things into this that just aren't there. Let's first take the example of RTP for slot machines. If they say that they return at least 95% to players, then that means that the software is programmed to return 95% to players. It doesn't mean that in a given hour, day, week, month or year it will be exactly 95%, and it doesn't mean that they return 95% to each
Man, it's not a question of rigging at the moment. The game is probably fair.
But Global Poker staff misleads clients.
"If they say that the return at least 95% to players, then that means that the software is programmed to return 95% to players."
If a player make unprofitable decisions in poker he will never return 95% of his bets.
I took the first explanation that i found: "In the gambling industry, RTP is a term used to describe the percentage of all wagered money that a casino game or slot machine will pay back to players over time. In other words, it’s a measure of how much money you can expect to win back from a game in the long term."
A poker player can't expect any return without taking into account his gaming level and profitability of his decisions. In slot machines - yes, he can.
It's a pure misleading.
"Commission of a room" for poker - applicable.
Return to player - is not.
Or do you mean "commission of a room" and "return to player" are the same? It is not the same, man.
They say something like "Hey, man, let's play in our poker room and you will get 95% of your buy-ins back!". Is it normal in a society outside poker forum in real life? No it's not. It's called "unfair trading" in law of many countries.
A single slot machine player cant expect any return either. But as a whole population, "slot machine players" can over time.
No specific player can expect a return on an MTT buyin either. But as a whole population, the players get back ~91% of their buyins for that MTT.
They may be tip toeing legal lines by operating this way, but its the unregulated US online poker market. Tip toeing legal lines is the norm.
When you ban yourself for a week and come back to the same ole global poker BS!
Guy just 3Bet jams EP's raise for 20+ BB from MP while Im sitting in the BB with aces, shows A9o and flops trips like he knows it was coming...
Next tourney EP raises and I jam 16BB on the btn with AJs and he snap calls with J9 for 85% of his stack and flops a straight...same ole BS
and dont even get me started whenever they actually let me hit the flush its only because my opponent has hit the higher flush...
Dont know if this site is rigged or not but I do know I run like complete dog **** on here...
FYI for Nevada players - I just confirmed with support that Nevada players can play through the weekend of the 15th-16th, and access to the games will be shut off on Monday the 17th. All information I had seen prior said access would be shut off on the 15th, but apparently they extended it.
I'm glad they decided to let NV players play the last weekend of the Grizzly series.
I don't even think RTP applies to cash games/MTTs/SNGs. Rep was likely mistaken. Global gives rakeback to everyone directly thru the vault so I don't even know how that would work if it somehow functioned in conjunction with RTP
I've played on maybe a dozen or more sites and there is always a player saying something like this for the respective site they're playing on
It's not the site. It's the way poker works
