$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition
I am going to be starting with $25 in my Ignition Account and try to spin it up to $25,000.
I will start at 5nl since it is the lowest stake on the site and be playing Ignition Reg tables only.
I will be updating every 5k hands with my progress.
My expectation for each limit is as follows:
Expected Winrates for each limit:
5NL: 30bb/100
10NL: 25bb/100
25NL: 20bb/100
50NL: 15bb/100
100NL: 12bb/100
200NL: 10bb/100
Variance will be a decent factor in a lot of these winrates but these are just ball park numbers. Once I hit 25k I will take a 10buyin shot at 500nl! As far as moving up I'll move up whenever I feel like it, but probably after winning 30-40 buyins at the limit.
There will be no cherry picking here since you can't cherry pick a Bankroll Challenge. Wish me luck (or not) and follow along in this thread.
A timing trick that I can't prove definitively but anecdotally increases calling frequencies vs fish is to time bank all the way down with value and then jam.
I think it's a free roll because I don't see it ever it decreasing calling frequencies and fish usually play 1-2 tables so the longer they think the worse their decision will be imo. Fish are also highly emotional and lack patience which helps our strategy.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
Software
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($31.57) [VPIP: 26.2% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 30.9% | Flop Agg: 32.3% | Turn Agg: 29.6% | River Agg: 31.9% | 3Bet: 8.7% | 4Bet: 16% | Cold Call: 17.9% | Hands: 634]
SB ($30) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 6]
BB ($19.90) [VPIP: 37.5% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 66.7% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 40% | Hands: 9]
UTG ($27.43) [VPIP: 16.1% | PFR: 9.7% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 31]
HJ ($27.01) [VPIP: 35.3% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 31.6% | Hands: 37]
HERO ($29.50) [VPIP: 28.2% | PFR: 23.6% | AGG: 38% | Flop Agg: 40.3% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 42.1% | 3Bet: 10.7% | 4Bet: 12.2% | Hands: 134462]
Dealt to Hero: Q♠ 8♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, BTN Calls $0.50, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.25
Hero SPR on Flop: [12.13 effective]
Flop ($1.60): 6♣ 8♥ 8♦
BB Bets $0.60 (Rem. Stack: $18.80), HERO Calls $0.60 (Rem. Stack: $28.40), BTN Folds
Turn ($2.80): 6♣ 8♥ 8♦ 9♣
BB Bets $1.20 (Rem. Stack: $17.60), HERO Raises To $5.10 (Rem. Stack: $23.30), BB Calls $3.90 (Rem. Stack: $13.70)
River ($13): 6♣ 8♥ 8♦ 9♣ J♠
BB Checks, HERO Bets $23.30 (allin), BB Calls $13.70 (allin)
Spoiler
BB shows: T♣ T♦
HERO wins: $38.38
Guy who crashes nl500 give me me similar advice regarding betting slowly with value.
Tanking with value is a tale as old as time, outside of poker as well. I don't think you need to be a megacrusher or professor of psychology to understand, that the more hesitant you look, the wider the villains calling ranges are going to be.
Wait I thought it was the other way round?
Vs fish you try and play quicker with value to force adrenaline mistakes, whereas regs, with a bluff, you sit back and make them sweat their second rate bluffcatcher.
I don't think the fish wants to fold either way. Dont' think delaying that decision helps but I'm open to being wrogn.
Wait I thought it was the other way round?
Vs fish you try and play quicker with value to force adrenaline mistakes, whereas regs, with a bluff, you sit back and make them sweat their second rate bluffcatcher.
I don't think the fish wants to fold either way. Dont' think delaying that decision helps but I'm open to being wrogn.
I should have been more clear but I’m still thinking about this myself.
Versus fish you want to act fast preflop/flop/turn with value hands, especially on dynamic boards. Fish don’t like being bullied and an aggressive bet plus quick timing will increase calling frequencies like you said.
But OTR when equities are 100/0 you need to act slow because fish still overfold vs triple barrel lines and will just default to folding bluff catchers in the aggregate.
By going fast preflop-fast flop-fast turn-and then slow river you are subconsciously signaling something has changed when in reality nothing has changed.
I think this will result in more calls overall.
And I’ll admit this is pure speculation from me but I think it works well. I’m not sure if it is falsifiable though.
Ah I get it.
Was going to say it depends on the dynamics/narrative that leads up to that point as much as anything and I can see how that could apply here.
Ah I get it.
Was going to say it depends on the dynamics/narrative that leads up to that point as much as anything and I can see how that could apply here.
Yeah that's what I was thinking about as well when talking about tanking. I ment tanking with value on the last street, be it river or pre. I think Costa made a video about it, but it's more about reading Villains timing tells instead of intentionally trying to give false timing tells ourselves. There was some MDA data about tanking being weak I think, and what I think doodoo is trying to say is that against some Villain profiles, we can kinda reverse that as well.
Yeah that's what I was thinking about as well when talking about tanking. I ment tanking with value on the last street, be it river or pre. I think Costa made a video about it, but it's more about reading Villains timing tells instead of intentionally trying to give false timing tells ourselves. There was some MDA data about tanking being weak I think, and what I think doodoo is trying to say is that against some Villain profiles, we can kinda reverse that as well.
What I love about Poker is it is the most unassuming game out. I’ve gone through so many mental stages where I think im good but then I realize I am the poster child for Dunning Kruger.
This is another reason why I quit coaching. The game is way too complex to be authoritative.
The way poker works is no one is actually good you are just less bad than the competition.
A weird psychological hang up that came to fruition is when you talk from an authoritative stance is you become scared to try new things. I want to **** up and push my limits. That’s how you get good or at least good relative to who you play against.
That’s why I like play and explains. Justifying a play makes you understand the play. It’s much harder to make a play in real time than to take a week and explain something. That’s not how poker works. Always be weary of someone who thinks they are an authority on the subject, more often than not they are academic flexing
Okay rant over.
I always tank on the fish before I value bet the river.
- I get time to think about the biggest size I can get away with.
- I look weaker like my hand might not be good enough to bet or I don't know if I want to bluff.
- They have more time to talk themselves into not folding if they're the paranoid type that thinks they're getting bluffed or is scared of the board.
- They get anxiety from waiting 30+ seconds and will maybe station harder than normal if their normal impulse is to call.
What I love about Poker is it is the most unassuming game out. I’ve gone through so many mental stages where I think im good but then I realize I am the poster child for Dunning Kruger.
This is another reason why I quit coaching. The game is way too complex to be authoritative.
The way poker works is no one is actually good you are just less bad than the competition.
A weird psychological hang up that came to fruition is when you talk from an authoritative stance is you become scared to try new t
Well said. I do think it is necessary to have some (strong-ish) confidence in your strategy however. If you are too uncertain about what line is best I think it'll often lead to inaction and/or feeling lost (I am speaking from experience here, lots of strat-testing and same realisations that there are often multiple viable strategies lead me personally to feelings of overwhelm).
I always tank on the fish before I value bet the river.
- I get time to think about the biggest size I can get away with.
- I look weaker like my hand might not be good enough to bet or I don't know if I want to bluff.
- They have more time to talk themselves into not folding if they're the paranoid type that thinks they're getting bluffed or is scared of the board.
- They get anxiety from waiting 30+ seconds and will maybe station harder than normal if their normal impulse is to call.
Any software that quantifies timing tells is against TOS but I think all these reasons are legitimate.
Poker can be fickle because you always want to be exactly one level above your opponent. If you are on the same level or two levels above you get wrecked.
Any software that quantifies timing tells is against TOS but I think all these reasons are legitimate.
Poker can be fickle because you always want to be exactly one level above your opponent. If you are on the same level or two levels above you get wrecked.
When I say I tank, I mean I let the timer run until right before my time bank activates, or sometimes wait until a split second after the time bank beep. It’s 10s or something on stars before that happens, so I guess I normally go 8-12 seconds.
I dont use my entire time bank or anything crazy that would make the game horrible for everyone else.
Well said. I do think it is necessary to have some (strong-ish) confidence in your strategy however. If you are too uncertain about what line is best I think it'll often lead to inaction and/or feeling lost (I am speaking from experience here, lots of strat-testing and same realisations that there are often multiple viable strategies lead me personally to feelings of overwhelm).
I agree you have to have confidence. I have strong opinions loosely held.
It’s like Bruce Lee said. I don’t fear the man who has practiced 1000 kicks one time. I fear the man who has practiced one kick 1000 times.
Poker is the same. You need to play a lot to get good. The best players in the world have all played millions of hands.
Players like Linus have probably played like 10 million hands. Hes been in so many spots so many times that to him a 4bet pot river spot is like BTNvsBB SRP spot to me.
He just knows what to do it’s routine to him.
I’m actually finally getting comfortable in 3bet pots and I’ve played around 2 million hands lifetime. I still suck in rare spots but the common 3BP spots are routine now.
IMO the trick is to have deliberate practice when you play. You can’t auto pilot.
I do think everyone thinks about poker differently but it is and always will be a concept game.
It’s not about memorizing a solver output it’s about understanding the purpose of why you make a play. You have to go really simple before you go complex.
An easy question that will test knowledge is why do you even raise preflop? If you can’t answer that question quickly then some studying is in order.
Well said. I do think it is necessary to have some (strong-ish) confidence in your strategy however. If you are too uncertain about what line is best I think it'll often lead to inaction and/or feeling lost (I am speaking from experience here, lots of strat-testing and same realisations that there are often multiple viable strategies lead me personally to feelings of overwhelm).
I can fully empathize with that. The fact that everyone starts with the same initial hand distribution and all is based on the allocation of hands to actions seems overwhelming. Actually at some point I lost some of my confidence once I asked myself where the money I won comes from. Everyone faces more or less the same situations in the longrun. Waiting for a good hand and hoping for a cooler is not what makes you money. It's all about the details, like sizings, frequencies and belives (what range does villain have and how does he react to certain actions? what does villain think about hero?). It's still quite fascinating that with all the rake being pulled out of the system, you can still be a winner.
Another video for the channel dropping tomorrow. I'll post a link when it's done
If anyone has ideas about what they want to see besides play and explains with cool hand histories let me know. When I have more of a sample size I am going to do a video on the differences in winrates between fast fold tables and reg tables but for now this format seems good.
The ever elusive range probe spot OTT for 3BP OOP PFC!
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
and Database SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($29.61) [VPIP: 28.2% | PFR: 23.6% | AGG: 37.9% | Flop Agg: 40.2% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 42.1% | 3Bet: 10.7% | Fold to 3Bet: 56% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Hands: 135353]
SB ($25.16) [VPIP: 20.6% | PFR: 16% | AGG: 30.6% | Hands: 269]
BB ($28.77) [VPIP: 13.1% | PFR: 11.5% | AGG: 27.3% | Hands: 61]
UTG ($26.18) [VPIP: 40% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 5]
HJ ($25.66) [VPIP: 24.8% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 24.4% | Hands: 415]
CO ($25.62) [VPIP: 42.9% | PFR: 28.6% | AGG: 66.7% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 7]
Dealt to Hero: 9♥ 8♥
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.60, HERO Raises To $1.86, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $1.26
Hero SPR on Flop: [5.84 effective]
Flop ($4.07): 5♠ 3♥ 9♣
CO Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($4.07): 5♠ 3♥ 9♣ 2♠
CO ?
A good MDA heuristic is when theory ranges in a spot it's almost always overbluffed on the next street. So here the X-B-B line is overbluffed as 3BP OOP PFC.
Spoiler
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
and Database SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($29.61) [VPIP: 28.2% | PFR: 23.6% | AGG: 37.9% | Flop Agg: 40.2% | Turn Agg: 35.3% | River Agg: 42.1% | 3Bet: 10.7% | Fold to 3Bet: 56% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Hands: 135353]
SB ($25.16) [VPIP: 20.6% | PFR: 16% | AGG: 30.6% | Hands: 269]
BB ($28.77) [VPIP: 13.1% | PFR: 11.5% | AGG: 27.3% | Hands: 61]
UTG ($26.18) [VPIP: 40% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 5]
HJ ($25.66) [VPIP: 24.8% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 24.4% | Hands: 415]
CO ($25.62) [VPIP: 42.9% | PFR: 28.6% | AGG: 66.7% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 7]
Dealt to Hero: 9♥ 8♥
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.60, HERO Raises To $1.86, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $1.26
Hero SPR on Flop: [5.84 effective]
Flop ($4.07): 5♠ 3♥ 9♣
CO Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($4.07): 5♠ 3♥ 9♣ 2♠
CO Bets $2.03 (Rem. Stack: $21.73), HERO Calls $2.03 (Rem. Stack: $25.72)
River ($8.13): 5♠ 3♥ 9♣ 2♠ T♣
CO Bets $5.26 (Rem. Stack: $16.47), HERO Calls $5.26 (Rem. Stack: $20.46)
Spoiler
CO shows: J♣ Q♣
HERO wins: $17.72
The bet sizing is the real takeaway from that hand. I would expect to win ~90%+ of the time in that spot vs a x/b50/b~60 line at 25nl
What I love about Poker is it is the most unassuming game out. I’ve gone through so many mental stages where I think im good but then I realize I am the poster child for Dunning Kruger.
This is another reason why I quit coaching. The game is way too complex to be authoritative.
The way poker works is no one is actually good you are just less bad than the competition.
A weird psychological hang up that came to fruition is when you talk from an authoritative stance is you become scared to try new t
I could not agree more.
New video
One thing I've noticed is my videos keep getting shorter. It's very hard to get good content because you also need to explain the situation correctly or you can't use it. So next video won't be for a few weeks as I'd like them all to be around 20-25 mins and need more time.
Yo dude.
In the intro. U should make the bird fly in, land on the poker sign. Then do a doodoo and then fly off.
New video
One thing I've noticed is my videos keep getting shorter. It's very hard to get good content because you also need to explain the situation correctly or you can't use it. So next video won't be for a few weeks as I'd like them all to be around 20-25 mins and need more time.
Post session review would be better, in this case. You can explain your thoughts with no time pressure.
Post session review would be better, in this case. You can explain your thoughts with no time pressure.
Yeah I like this better or just have both.
Going to do hands where I say my thoughts in real time (which will be terrible compared to post session review).
Then use MDA and Theory to devise a strategy for the spot. This will help me as well as other people so it’s symbiotic.
The EV always flows to whoever understands the spot best. If both people understand the spot equally then variance is the tie breaker.
iPoker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 261.2 BB
Hero (UTG): 122.7 BB
CO: 144.9 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2d 2h
Hero raises to 2.1 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.1 BB, SB raises to 13.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 11.1 BB, BTN calls 11.1 BB
Flop : (40.6 BB, 3 players) 4d Js 4s
SB checks, Hero bets 8.1 BB, fold, SB calls 8.1 BB
Turn : (56.8 BB, 2 players) As
SB checks, Hero checks
River : (56.8 BB, 2 players) 6s
SB bets 14.2 BB, Hero ???, is it completely crazy to think about jamming here on the river? Ace of S OTT is excellent for us and if villain isn't mixing much nutted into their river block range, am I completely wrong thinking we're getting enough folds here to justify jamming? Yeah I know, fold pre, but I do find it's OK to try to go see MW flops sometimes like this in order to go see, whose got the most guts post flop when pots grow..
