GTO+/CardRunnersEV?

GTO+/CardRunnersEV?

This is the support thread for CardRunnersEV, which is hand EV analysis software.

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16 March 2008 at 05:11 PM
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by kingfisha322 k

So I made this setup vs a database of the largest flop subset in GTO+ for practice on flop betting. Seems to work well although it took a long time to solve the entire database. I wanted to build an easy strat with 2 different sizings and I default to the largest bet size if the solver mixes. Any suggestion to improve the setup?

You could round the solution for 1, meaning that all hands will choose the action with the highest %.
For this, go to "Lock+edit decision", click on "Special options", select the tab "Round", select "1" and accept (click on "ROUND").
To round all hands in the entire decision, double-click on the bar below the matrix.



by Yangkk k

My software is activated, but only gto+ files in certain folders cannot be opened by double-clicking. Other files can be opened normally by double-clicking them.

This will be set in Windows itself, so it's not directly within our control.
You should however be able to set the File Associations in Windows from the Control Panel (for this, google for "Changing File Associations in Windows").
Alternatively, you can load any savefile from within GTO+'s menu with "File->Open ..." or "CTRL+O".


by lagux k

Maybe in the edit tree -> edit decision add option change sizing bet (not add new sizing bet , because it is deleted from other leaf).

Ok, I'll make a note of your request, and we'll see if we can take care of it in one of the next releases.


by Johnny Doe k

Hi Scylla i have a question about the "Go all-in if remaining bet bellow" function. If i am understanding this correctly all this function does is when the stack is 40% of the size of the pot it only gives us the option to go all in or check right? But when i enable this function it completely messes up the solution and removes some bet sizings, for example:

So in this situation i bet the flop, turn goes check check and on the river i no longer have the option to bet 75% and 125%, why is th

I can't immediately tell from the screenshots, but we should be able to figure this out with access to the tree itself.
Can you send a savefile to support?


Hi Scylla.
I have a request regarding the “Go all-in if remaining bet bellow” function.
If I load a file that was resolved before this functionality was implemented in a version with this functionality, the Build dicision tree will show this option turned on.
It is difficult to tell what kind of tree I had previously created because the settings that are displayed are different from the settings I had created.
I would like to see files that were resolved before this feature was implemented to be displayed with this option turned off when loaded in the version where this feature is implemented.


by katu k

Hi Scylla.
I have a request regarding the “Go all-in if remaining bet bellow” function.
If I load a file that was resolved before this functionality was implemented in a version with this functionality, the Build dicision tree will show this option turned on.
It is difficult to tell what kind of tree I had previously created because the settings that are displayed are different from the settings I had created.
I would like to see files that were resolved before this feature was implement

Ok, I will make a note of this for v173.


Hi Scylla.
There is a suggestion to improve the “play against the solution" feature.
It would be great to be able to play one particular line without playing the hand to the end. Let's say if I want to practice spot "flop defence oop vs cbet" - it is extremely inconvenient to do, you have to click on the refresh icon after the correct action, so the next situation is loaded, and also the hand itself that way is not saved as played, so you end up having no idea how many hands you've practiced. It would be really cool to see something like this and new stuff in the drills feature. Love the product.


by zxczxc666zxc k

Hi Scylla.
There is a suggestion to improve the “play against the solution" feature.
It would be great to be able to play one particular line without playing the hand to the end. Let's say if I want to practice spot "flop defence oop vs cbet" - it is extremely inconvenient to do, you have to click on the refresh icon after the correct action, so the next situation is loaded, and also the hand itself that way is not saved as played, so you end up having no idea how many hands you've practiced. It

Ok, I have made a note of your request, and we'll see if we work this into one of the future releases.


by zxczxc666zxc k

Hi Scylla.
There is a suggestion to improve the “play against the solution" feature.
It would be great to be able to play one particular line without playing the hand to the end. Let's say if I want to practice spot "flop defence oop vs cbet" - it is extremely inconvenient to do, you have to click on the refresh icon after the correct action, so the next situation is loaded, and also the hand itself that way is not saved as played, so you end up having no idea how many hands you've practiced. It

I fully support this idea. Practicing specific spots without playing the full hand and saving progress would be much more efficient. Adding it to the drills feature would be a great enhancement!


For example, if I lock 9c9h at the OOP point, I only want to see 9c9h in action all the time. Instead of having to find it again in this box after every action.




Let's say I have JsJh locked and I just want to show how often it acts on the turn and river.


by Yangkk k


Let's say I have JsJh locked and I just want to show how often it acts on the turn and river.

Ok, I will make a note of your request, and we'll see if we can work it in somehow.


Have you considered implementing an automatic optimal bet size finder similar to how they did it in GTOWizard?


by SelfishGhost k

Have you considered implementing an automatic optimal bet size finder similar to how they did it in GTOWizard?

All bet sizes perform nearly identical to any other size.
You can check this for yourself by building the same tree, but for different sizes.
After that, check the overall performance for OOP.
This is the EV below the table in his very first decision (see the screenshot below).
As you'll find, this EV will be nearly identical, regardless of the bet size.
Unless you're writing a bot, from a human perspective, bet sizes barely have any influence at all.
The influence of bet sizing is several orders of magnitude smaller than quality of play.



it is impossible to disable "go all-in if remaining bet below"
if I remove it still comes back :( :( :( :(


by Yellow k

it is impossible to disable "go all-in if remaining bet below"
if I remove it still comes back :( :( :( :(

For this, set whichever settings you'd like to use by default.

Then, go to "Edit profiles".
Select "Add current", and add your profile.
Select it by left-clicking it, and select "Set as default".
After this, click on "Accept changes".

See the screenshot below.

For v173, we'll make some changes, so that storing your current settings as default requires only a single step.



Will it be possible to add EV-EQ buckets to custom filters?



by Mates. k

Will it be possible to add EV-EQ buckets to custom filters?

Yes, we should be able to add this.
It's not a particularly difficult feature.


by scylla k

Yes, we should be able to add this.
It's not a particularly difficult feature.


In this feature of range comparision, its possible to look into the matrix EV/EQ in Hotness?


by Mates. k

In this feature of range comparision, its possible to look into the matrix EV/EQ in Hotness?

Ok, we'll see if we can offer something here.


Hello! How long will it take to solve
20gb tree on gto+ more or less Just to get an indication
with i9 14900k 96gb ram


by Magnum87 k

Hello! How long will it take to solve
20gb tree on gto+ more or less Just to get an indication
with i9 14900k 96gb ram

It's probably easiest if you download the trial version, and test for yourself.
The trial is fully functional; its only restriction is that it will only work for a Td9d6h flop.
Go here for download: https://www.gtoplus.com/download/


I have the gto+ I just want to know if it's worth it for me to upgrade pc


by Magnum87 k

I have the gto+ I just want to know if it's worth it for me to upgrade pc

The solving speed of a CPU will basically come down to its clock speed in gHz, multiplied by its number of cores. A CPU with 4 cores of 3.2 gHz will come down to a 4x3.2=12.8gHz system. So, if you perform this calculation for your current CPU, and the one that you're referring to, then this should give you a decent indication of the expected improvement in solving speed.


not 100% sure, but it seems like that normalized visualization (bar length) of hand categories (weak pair for example) is not displayed correctly within the hand matrix. i am using the current beta v1.7.2. is this a known issue?

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