The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
Wow, Conservatives are scared of Carney, he the first Canadian political leader (if he wins leadership) to have a real understanding of the economy since who? Martin?
Might not be enough to win this year but could easily see the CPC being held to one term
You can't pretend to be hiring based on merit when you just told us you would actively discriminate against any trans or non-binary person who informed you of their pronouns. The person making hiring decision based on some status or other is YOU.
Your fake "Don't Ask Don't Tell" position on pronouns is silly - OF COURSE you use pronouns all the time, like everyone does, the only debate is whether some people are terrified of your employment discrimination that they would hide who they really are
I never said I would personally do it but said many would and actually I get why. In todays world hiring youth is a struggle many just do not seem to have the same work ethic I was raised on
I said Im all for it and that applies to all pronouns weather its he/him or she /her . So I never said just filter out someone that puts they/them or some of the other ones.
The days of DEI hiring are disappearing from many companies instead were choosing the best from Peoplekind
I never said I would personally do it but said many would and actually I get why.
I said Im all for it and that applies to all pronouns weather its he/him or she /her . So I never said just filter out someone that puts they/them or some of the other ones.
It's pretty hard to read your first post as anything but you enthusiastically supporting the idea of employment discrimination based on whether a trans or non-binary person tells you their pronouns.
I would LOVE it if you clearly stated that such discrimination is immoral and wrong and you would never - ever - do it just the same way you would never - ever - discriminate based on race or sexual orientation or religion etc.
But you didn't.
You said you were all for it.
And now you are trying this wishy washy BS that you never said (nor denied?) that you would personally do it, you were just talking about other people. Well, tell those other people their discrimination is morally wrong!
It's pretty hard to read your first post as anything but you enthusiastically supporting the idea of employment discrimination based on whether a trans or non-binary person tells you their pronouns.
I would LOVE it if you clearly stated that such discrimination is immoral and wrong and you would never - ever - do it just the same way you would never - ever - discriminate based on race or sexual orientation or religion etc.
But you didn't.
You said you were all for it.
And now you are trying this
Let me be clear discrimination based on ones race, sexual orientation or anyone in the LGQBT+ community is wrong . Not hiring someone because they list their pronouns I understand and not specific pronouns .
I would never hire a smoker either and that is illegal as well,
Let me be clear discrimination based on ones race, sexual orientation or anyone in the LGQBT+ community is wrong . Not hiring someone because they list their pronouns I understand and not specific pronouns .
You don't seem to be properly processing this. If a person is trans or non-binary, they are likely to want to tell you their pronouns so you know how to refer to them. So to discriminate against them for telling you their pronouns IS THE SAME ****ING THING as discriminating against them for being trans or being non-binary.
An environment where someone has to hide who they are from you, because you will fire them if they disclose their pronouns, is a discriminatory workplace. That's wrong. Full stop. It was wrong in the Don't Ask Don't Tell regimes of the 90s, it is wrong today.
libertarians hate modern day liberals because modern day liberals love regulations and heavy state interventionism, which libertarians hate
Yes in some instance they like regulation to actually to preserve the initiial concept of liberalism .
Liberals are for Individuals right , property right , free press , etc ….
Maybe you think they are liberals when they aren’t because you think everyone is left as soon you hear something you don’t like .
Which again you prove lately ….
You don't seem to be properly processing this. If a person is trans or non-binary, they are likely to want to tell you their pronouns so you know how to refer to them. So to discriminate against them for telling you their pronouns IS THE SAME ****ING THING as discriminating against them for being trans or being non-binary.
An environment where someone has to hide who they are from you, because you will fire them if they disclose their pronouns, is a discriminatory workplace. That's wrong. Full s
Actually no I would call them by their name as would everyone else .
Lets let this argument die as you have your position and all the power to you Conservatives say bad things is terrible. Liberals say bad things OK
That's a massive cop out. Everybody - including you - uses pronouns every single day without thinking about it. Even if you massively butcher your natural speech to avoid referring to any employees with their pronouns ever, it STILL leaves the discriminatory environment where they will be scared that if they tell you who they are, then you will discriminate against them. They are still silenced from revealing who they are to you.
That's still wrong.
Lozen, discriminating against somebody for who they are is wrong. Immoral. Disgusting. Revolting. You should - and must - be better than this. Shame on you.
That's a massive cop out. Everybody - including you - uses pronouns every single day without thinking about it. Even if you massively butcher your natural speech to avoid referring to any employees with their pronouns ever, it STILL leaves the discriminatory environment where they will be scared that if they tell you who they are, then you will discriminate against them. They are still silenced from revealing who they are to you.
That's still wrong.
Lozen, discriminating against somebody for wh
I have clearly said I would not and if my flooring person had said to me can you refer to me as they/them yes may role my eyes later but I would .
The bottom line is your disgusted by a tweet were the person attacks someone but say nothing that Marc Miller attacked that person as well tit for tat
You said this:
I am all for it its an easy way to eliminate employees you do not want to hire .
And you've yet to find the courage to condemn someone who did precisely what you said! Imagine being this cavalier about someone who was firing gay employees not for being gay for telling you they were gay - it should be don't ask don't tell. Somehow there the "all for it easy way to eliminate" language I suspect doesn't happen. But with trans people, you can't find the basic courage to say that discriminating against them for telling you their pronouns is morally wrong.
Gross.
Clean up your show before you try this pathetic whataboutism with some other uncited attack you think is also bad. YOU are the problem, don't worry about marc miller until you've solved your ****.
Ok, well .7 to .87 then is totally plausible, we've had long periods of time where that has been the rate or better. Heck, I suppose that's possible in 8 years regardless of the PM. But it doesn't really change the way your post was sort of imagining a future of phenomenal resource extraction that doesn't really add up. We already have a government that is supportive of oil, with record oil production, new big oil pipelines etc - the amount of slack just isn't really there.
Everyone I know in the capital markets as it relates to natural resource extraction in Canada, is begging for the change. So although you're right on oil, your position isn't shared in LNG, mining, power generation, and a lot of other areas. Money on the sidelines is waiting for Pierre and change.
Everyone I know in the capital markets as it relates to natural resource extraction in Canada, is begging for the change. So although you're right on oil, your position isn't shared in LNG, mining, power generation, and a lot of other areas. Money on the sidelines is waiting for Pierre and change.
While oil is by far the biggest, but the story is the same on the other fronts. I remember the German envoy basically saying what Trudeau said, that the case for LNG exports to europe is dramatically overstated:
. Mining there's been tonnes of it, lots of different categories but here say is one of the biggest potash hitting all time highs under trudeau: . There might be a BIT of what you say, where the largely tepid environmental regulations if they are ripped to shreds as we expect might make some difference on the margins, but mostly Canada has consistently been pro-resource extraction under Trudeau and imagining some massive boom under Poilievre is largely just political messaging.
You said this:
And you've yet to find the courage to condemn someone who did precisely what you said! Imagine being this cavalier about someone who was firing gay employees not for being gay for telling you they were gay - it should be don't ask don't tell. Somehow there the "all for it easy way to eliminate" language I suspect doesn't happen. But with trans people, you can't find the basic courage to say that discriminating against them for telling you their pronouns is morally wrong.
Gross.
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Sorry I do not need to believe in your ideologies .
Everyone I know in the capital markets as it relates to natural resource extraction in Canada, is begging for the change. So although you're right on oil, your position isn't shared in LNG, mining, power generation, and a lot of other areas. Money on the sidelines is waiting for Pierre and change.
Imagine if we had an energy east pipeline and a stream lined procedure for developing resource extraction were Canada would be today .
Actually no I would call them by their name as would everyone else .
Lets let this argument die as you have your position and all the power to you Conservatives say bad things is terrible. Liberals say bad things OK
100% .
I would call them by names or so something like « hey » or « you » ….
I wouldn’t feel obliged at all to fall into their choosing ideology of non binary or w.e that ressemble that .
We aren’t in a video game or the internet .
Legally I’m not Montrealcorp , I have a name and I’m identified physically by many things .
Eyes Color’s , skin color , sex, height ,weight ,etc .
Now we have picture but I guess some people could ask to wear mask for religion purpose and so couldn’t be photograph without it Too….
At some point a line should be drawn in the sand , especially when it’s something people choose and not constraint by the physicality of the real world …regardless they like or not .
Imagine if we had an energy east pipeline and a stream lined procedure for developing resource extraction were Canada would be today .
Lets imagine it .
Oil price would fall .
The commodities are already low and would fall even faster .
Why spend billions of profits in something that -
- Prices would fall dramatically.
- because of the higher cost of production here , it wouldn’t be that profitable but a lot more cost input and it would put some corporations in dire position because others (worldwide) could as well produce more and crating even more prices , defending their market shares .
This exactly what happen in the oil market and crashed the shale oil in the US in 2015 .
Saudi just decided to open the production crashing the prices ….
I always fine funny those simplistic solutions .
Let’s put tariffs , let’s deregulate and increase production -> as if the rest of the world would sit around and do nothing in retaliation ….
Now it might be better I don’t know 100% , but it is far less obvious then many seem to think here .
It doesn't take some crazy "ideology" to realize that employment discrimination against someone for nothing but telling you who they are and how they like to be referred is morally wrong.
In fact the same kind of twisted ideological logic that allowed people to justify discrimination on the basis of sex or race or religion, all of those things should be easily recognized by good people as being wrong.
Why is it so hard for you?
It doesn't take some crazy "ideology" to realize that employment discrimination against someone for nothing but telling you who they are and how they like to be referred is morally wrong.
In fact the same kind of twisted ideological logic that allowed people to justify discrimination on the basis of sex or race or religion, all of those things should be easily recognized by good people as being wrong.
Why is it so hard for you?
Be truthful .
If I am white and I would feel bad you identified me as such but rather demand you to identify me as a Chinese person , does that make sense ?
Why you think it’s mandatory for people to respect the deformation of reality and not respecting my form of reality, more then the other person ?
They can believe a person has no sex or want to believe they shouldn’t be identified as a male or female .
That’s fine.
But like I’m not obligated to believe in w.e gods people believe in or other notion of believes and order me to follow their way of actions , they shouldn’t decide upon on what I decide to identify reality with .
Meaning saying a person is a male or a woman should be deem an insult or discrimination is just utterly stupid .
It isn’t ….‘it’s just fact of life .
Like anyone identifying someone as white when they are white isn’t an insult either .
Just stop …
Saying a person is black isn’t an insult but n word is , fine .
But let’s not call reality an insult because some doesn’t want to acknowledge what reality is …
Be truthful .
If I am white and I would feel bad you identified me as such but rather demand you to identify me as a Chinese person , does that make sense ?
Why you think it’s mandatory for people to respect the deformation of reality and not respecting my form of reality, more then the other person ?
They can believe a person has no sex or want to believe they shouldn’t be identified as a male or female .
That’s fine.
But like I’m not obligated to believe in w.e gods peo
You're not obligated to "believe" in someone's else's beliefs. You don't have to agree with them, respect them, or refrain from making making bad comparisons to some sort of trans race thing on the internet.
But you shouldn't discriminate against them for it, such as job discrimination where you refuse to hire them if they inform you of their pronouns.
For example, I think people who believe in gods are ridiculous. It would still be wrong of me to refuse to hire such people.
You're not obligated to "believe" in someone's else's beliefs. You don't have to agree with them, respect them, or refrain from saying mean things about them on the internet.
But you shouldn't discriminate against them for it, such as job discrimination where you refuse to hire them if they inform you their pronouns.
Sorry I ninja edited some due to typo and misinterpretation.
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Yes I wouldn’t stop hiring them but they sure should belief I would call them by name and not respecting a notion that is purely invented in their head .
Like I wouldn’t call them master because they believe they are Jedi master or other religious title they could find or any other beliefs they could find….
Identified someone or something as what it is actually is shouldn’t be considered an insult .
Society actually need some kind of norm as some point ….
And the norm is what actually reality is .
If we reach’s point where I’m called a racist because I identified someone white and not Chinese (because he feel like Chinese today) when in actually he is white ….
Wtf …
Just stop
Let’s not normalize the abnormality ….
Ps: exactly about your god comment in the end .
That is the whole point of tge bill 21 in Quebec .
You need a neutrality at some point to respect everyone .
Especially when your beliefs is set upon discrimination itself …
You're not obligated to "believe" in someone's else's beliefs. You don't have to agree with them, respect them, or refrain from making making bad comparisons to some sort of trans race thing on the internet.
But you shouldn't discriminate against them for it, such as job discrimination where you refuse to hire them if they inform you of their pronouns.
For example, I think people who believe in gods are ridiculous. It would still be wrong of me to refuse to hire such people.
if being trans AND insisting on pronouns correlates with being a radical leftist that has very strong political identity and that correlates with being a nuisance in the workplace, why shouldn't I discriminate about something that is statistically horrible for my workplace?
can you discriminate against someone with 18 face piercings? because being aggressive with pronoun requests is very similar to that, it's not about being trans it's about being a radical leftist which is truly horrible in anyone you have to relate to in work or otherwise.
That's a massive cop out. Everybody - including you - uses pronouns every single day without thinking about it. Even if you massively butcher your natural speech to avoid referring to any employees with their pronouns ever, it STILL leaves the discriminatory environment where they will be scared that if they tell you who they are, then you will discriminate against them. They are still silenced from revealing who they are to you.
That's still wrong.
Lozen, discriminating against somebody for wh
You are making a gigantic mountain out of a nothing burger here.
Lol at immoral, digusting, revolting. Save us the self righteousness and hyperbole. 99% of the world doesn't care about this pronoun nonsense it and it frankly doesn't matter.
I've interacted with thousands of humans at this point and haven't seen anyone that wanted me to refer to them by weird pronouns. So frankly why even care about this ****, it doesn't matter.
