The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
What a disgusting slur. Not your first time, but didn't you apologize for pulling this exact **** a previous time ITT? Clearly you haven't learned anything from your behaviour. Just like you will undoubtably repeat the alleged "lie" despite me quoting the PBO disproving your claim - you slink away and ignore that you just got owned only to repeat the entire thing a little bit latter. Undoubtably you will repeat this disgusting slur that I have no issue with.....checks notes.....slave labour again too.
It's embarrassing at this point.
What a disgusting slur. Not your first time, but didn't you apologize for pulling this exact **** a previous time ITT? Clearly you haven't learned anything from your behaviour. Just like you will undoubtably repeat the alleged "lie" despite me quoting the PBO disproving your claim - you slink away and ignore that you just got owned only to repeat the entire thing a little bit latter. Undoubtably you will repeat this disgusting slur that I have no issue with.....checks notes.....slave labour aga
I find this kind of funny. Its ok for you to say I do not care about climate change because I will vote for Pierre but its not Ok for me to say you do not care about child labor and slave labor because you vote for a PM that will embrace it with his policies . Also a PM that believes in fast tracking mining for the minerals they require in the battery plants that were also fast tracked with little to no environmental impact studies .
Canada has a higher per capita emission because we produce a ton of fossil fuels for the world and cleaner than many other countries
I always get a kick out of the moral responsibility yet the likes of Uke have no issue with child labor or slave labor to mine the minerals required for those batteries or to produce those solar panels. They do not care that these mines destroy the ecosystems in these countries .
Even here in Canada the feds are calling to fast track permits for mining and reduce t
If u believe that crap about solar panel and batteries are all done by slavey and child labor u can be damn sure it isn’t the only sectors that have those then ….
But u only focus against this because of carbon tax , ev car against oil ….
At least stop being intellectuel dishonest and say China and the likes should all be ban from world market and accept a 25% rate of inflation from here without complaining
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If u believe that crap about solar panel and batteries are all done by slavey and child labor u can be damn sure it isn’t the only sectors that have those then ….
But u only focus against this because of carbon tax , ev car against oil ….
At least stop being intellectuel dishonest and say China and the likes should all be ban from world market and accept a 25% rate of inflation from here without complaining
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We’re did I say China ? I do realize China has issue my point was more to areas in Africa and the fact we will be doing mining with minimal environmental studies . Quebec is the one province reducing the requirements .
Don’t get me wrong I’m for all resource development including oil and gas
We’re did I say China ? I do realize China has issue my point was more to areas in Africa and the fact we will be doing mining with minimal environmental studies . Quebec is the one province reducing the requirements .
Don’t get me wrong I’m for all resource development including oil and gas
Well I don’t think Africa is link much to solar panel and batteries .
Anyway , diamonds , gold ,etc are all at cause in Africa for the stuff u denounce .
I’m pretty sure u are not advocating to stop consuming gold , silver, for it .
yeah some bad **** still exist in poor country , but the linkage u make is pretty much dishonest because minerals are the base of a lot stuff more then solar panel and batteries but we don’t see you link those thing to child labor and slavery either ….
So Back to the Arrive Scam app and GC Strategies
Sadly it looks like the Liberals will be blocking this investigation as well.
It sure seems that Justin Trudeau seems to have a weekly scandal .
Makes you wonder if they wasted 1/4 billion on GC Strategies were else are they wasting billions of dollars
This weeks Trudeau Disasters
- 1. Arrive Scam
- 2. GC Strategies Overall
- 3. Jolies second in command recorded bashing the Liberals response on Israel
- 4. Environment minister says no new cash for roads
What an interesting week in Canada for politics . I think the Arrive Scam app sums up Justin Trudeaus 8 years as leader
An app that was never needed
An app that was to cost $80,000 but cost we think 60 million
An app that led to over 10,000 folks quarantined that never required it
An app with 0ver 25 updates that never really worked like the liberals
Great opinion piece on the painful truth about Justin's Carbon Tax
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstori...
The highlights
It’s absurd that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberals believe that rebranding their “climate action incentive payments” as “Canada carbon rebates” is what’s needed to fix their carbon tax.
What Canadians deserve is the truth about Trudeau’s carbon tax, which they have never been given by the Liberals.
The Liberals claim 80% of households in the eight provinces paying the carbon tax (Quebec and B.C. have separate systems) receive more in rebates than they pay in carbon taxes.
In fact, parliamentary budget officer Yves Giroux, says when the negative impact of the carbon tax on the economy is factored in, 60% of households currently pay more in carbon taxes than they receive in rebates, which will rise to 80% in Nova Scotia in 2025, 80% in Ontario in 2026, 80% in Manitoba in 2029 and 80% in Alberta and P.E.I. in 2030
The Trudeau government says its carbon tax is revenue neutral with 90% of the money raised returned to households and 10% going to small businesses, Indigenous groups, farmers, schools, universities and municipalities.
But the carbon tax isn’t revenue neutral because the Trudeau government doesn’t rebate the GST households pay on top of the carbon tax.
The PBO estimates this “tax on a tax” will raise $486 million for the federal government this year, rising annually to more than $1 billion in 2030.
The Canadian Federation of Independent Business says the Trudeau government has not returned $2.5 billion in carbon tax revenues collected since 2019 to small businesses in Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, despite promises to do so.
The Liberals say their carbon tax is the most effective way to lower industrial greenhouse gas emissions linked to climate change.
In reality, we don’t know how effective the carbon tax is because the Trudeau government doesn’t keep track of its impact on emissions. It guesstimates it will account for up to one-third of emission reduction in 2030.
According to the latest available federal government data, Canada’s emissions in 2021 went up by 1.8% to 670 million tonnes, compared to 2020.
The U.S., without a national carbon tax, has been more successful than Canada at reducing emissions.
What an interesting week in Canada for politics . I think the Arrive Scam app sums up Justin Trudeaus 8 years as leader
An app that was never needed
An app that was to cost $80,000 but cost we think 60 million
An app that led to over 10,000 folks quarantined that never required it
An app with 0ver 25 updates that never really worked like the liberals
Great opinion piece on the painful truth about Justin's Carbon Tax
Let’s talk apps
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_....
The Phoenix pay system is a payroll processing system for Canadian federal government employees, provided by IBM in June 2011 using PeopleSoft software, and run by Public Services and Procurement Canada. The Public Service Pay Centre is located in Miramichi, New Brunswick. It was first introduced in 2009 as part of Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Transformation of Pay Administration Initiative, intended to replace Canada's 40-year old system with a new, cost-saving "automated, off-the-shelf commercial system."
By July 2018, Phoenix has caused pay problems to close to 80 percent of the federal government's 290,000 public servants through underpayments, over-payments, and non-payments.[1] The Standing Senate Committee on National Finance, chaired by Senator Percy Mockler, sought to examine the causes for the failure, holding "eight meetings with 28 witnesses, including the Auditor General of Canada, union representatives, departments and agencies, officials from IBM, the Minister of Public Services and Procurement and the Clerk of the Privy Council"[1] and paid a visit to the Miramichi pay system location during their investigation. Their report, "The Phoenix Pay Problem: Working Towards a Solution" on July 31, 2018, in which they called Phoenix a failure and an "international embarrassment".[1] Instead of saving $70 million a year as planned, the report said that the cost to taxpayers to fix Phoenix's problems could reach a total of $2.2 billion by 2023. The Office of the Auditor General of Canada also performed an independent audit, and published a report in 2018 that concluded that the Phoenix project “was a incomprehensible failure of project management and oversight”,[2] and that Phoenix Executives did not heed warnings from the Miramichi Pay Centre, costing the federal government hundreds of millions of dollars, and had a negative financial impact on tens of thousands of its employees.
Well at least it didn’t reach billions this time …
But it’s ok to focus on 60 millions .
Let’s talk apps
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_....
Well at least it didn’t reach billions this time …
But it’s ok to focus on 60 millions .
See I actually appreciate a whataboutism . All I can say that was a huge blunder by Harper and I am so glad the Liberals when they got in power fixed the problem Oh wait .....
Its like the Liberals were scrapping the F35 purchase as its overpriced and plagued with problems . 6 years later were buying F35's they cost more now and plagued with more problems
Neither have anything to do with the arrive scam app and GC strategies .
Yeah, Montreal definitely whatabouting there.
It does demonstrate waste like that happens under leaders of all political stripes, but part of the job at the top is you end up wearing it even when you didn’t necessarily have a direct hand in it. And usually it doesn't get to the level of either of those boondongles without leadership having multiple opportunities to intervene.
Yeah, Montreal definitely whatabouting there.
It does demonstrate waste like that happens under leaders of all political stripes, but part of the job at the top is you end up wearing it even when you didn’t necessarily have a direct hand in it. And usually it doesn't get to the level of either of those boondongles without leadership having multiple opportunities to intervene.
Times of crisis are usually used to increase that "waste" (=stealing).
A good reason to oppose using "crisis" unless it's an actual crisis.
A leader who is eager to declare a crisis even if it's not a situation that justifies the suspension of normal procedures, is an enemy of the people and there almost can't be any bigger red flag than that.
Oh look our Climate Phoney PM
Thermal Coal exports under Justin Trudeau have tripled since He took office
2015 2.44 Mt
20228.23 Mt
Source Global News
Oh look our Climate Phoney PM
Thermal Coal exports under Justin Trudeau have tripled since Ho took office
2015 2.44 Mt
2018 ~1 Mt
2022 8.23 Mt
Source Global News
FYP, at least according to the article below. I couldn't confirm the 2015 number.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-to-m....
Also, I believe those numbers are much higher when you include US coal that we export; kind of hard to sort out the numbers from different sources.
FYP, at least according to the article below. I couldn't confirm the 2015 number.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-to-m....
Also, I believe those numbers are much higher when you include US coal that we export; kind of hard to sort out the numbers from different sources.
This is from the federal government’s own data that the NDP got
Coal exported though Canada is as follows
2016 6Mt
2022 10 Mt
2018 was the highest at 14 Mt
Right, I was looking at those as well. I'm having a hard time getting everything to line up and make sense, because I found another article that talked about tripling as well, but it was referring to total exports like you are with those numbers. However, 6 -> 14 isn't triple. So I don't know exactly which numbers each article is using, but the point remains that our coal exports have risen substantially under JT. Disappointing.
Right, I was looking at those as well. I'm having a hard time getting everything to line up and make sense, because I found another article that talked about tripling as well, but it was referring to total exports like you are with those numbers. However, 6 -> 14 isn't triple. So I don't know exactly which numbers each article is using, but the point remains that our coal exports have risen substantially under JT. Disappointing.
When they say tripled they are only referring to coal that was mined in Canada . The 2.44 to 8.xx.
The other set is coal from the USA that Washington state , Oregon, California banned through their ports .
The reality is if you tripled your own exports in 8 years not a chance you shut it all down by 2030
When they say tripled they are only referring to coal that was mined in Canada . The 2.44 to 8.xx.
The other set is coal from the USA that Washington state , Oregon, California banned through their ports .
Yeah, I had been looking at a different article that also talked about tripling, but I can see now it makes sense and I misunderstood something:
In 2022, Canada exported over 18 million tonnes of Canadian and American thermal coal, mostly through our West Coast ports. When burned in coal plants overseas, this causes 40 million tonnes of carbon pollution — the same annual emissions as 8.7 million cars on the road.
Between 2015 and 2022, the amount of Canadian thermal coal exported overseas increased by more than 300 per cent.
I hadn't noticed the second paragraph only referred to Canadian-produced, unlike the first paragraph.
The reality is if you tripled your own exports in 8 years not a chance you shut it all down by 2030
Yeah, it seems pretty challenging to say the least.
https://liberal.ca/climate/ending-therma...
Phasing out coal from the electricity sector is the single most important climate action any country can take. It also prevents the harmful smog that affects people with asthma and other respiratory conditions.
Canada is leading the way with the Liberal government’s commitment to phase-out unabated coal-fired electricity by 2030 and no longer approve new or expanded thermal coal mines. To keep moving forward on moving past coal pollution, a re-elected Liberal government will end thermal coal exports from and through Canada no later than 2030. Moving past coal not only means fighting against climate change, it also means cleaner, healthier air for everyone.
I actually thought it was only coal-fired electricity they promised to eliminate by 2030, but indeed they've promised ending thermal coal exports from and through Canada, and I don't see anything conditional about it.
I guess they can just pass legislation whenever they like banning it, but it's not going to go especially well for them if they don't ramp up to that.
Yeah, Montreal definitely whatabouting there.
It does demonstrate waste like that happens under leaders of all political stripes, but part of the job at the top is you end up wearing it even when you didn’t necessarily have a direct hand in it. And usually it doesn't get to the level of either of those boondongles without leadership having multiple opportunities to intervene.
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Yes I did on purpose to show that screw up by government happens all the time and the 60 millions is not something worth much to make a big issue about to aim at trudeau personally imo .
See I actually appreciate a whataboutism . All I can say that was a huge blunder by Harper and I am so glad the Liberals when they got in power fixed the problem Oh wait .....
Its like the Liberals were scrapping the F35 purchase as its overpriced and plagued with problems . 6 years later were buying F35's they cost more now and plagued with more problems
Neither have anything to do with the arrive scam app and GC strategies .
They Phoenix problem couldn’t be much fix .
It was a process that last over 6-7 years they were stuck with it
When they say tripled they are only referring to coal that was mined in Canada . The 2.44 to 8.xx.
The other set is coal from the USA that Washington state , Oregon, California banned through their ports .
The reality is if you tripled your own exports in 8 years not a chance you shut it all down by 2030
So what you favour in this case lozen ?
Trudeau driving up coal Export while it prevent child labour and slavery in other countries like u love to denounce ?
Or we should eliminate all coal export and exploitation but let child labour and slavery to explode worldwide ?
That what mining is all about right ? 😀
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Yes I did on purpose to show that screw up by government happens all the time and the 60 millions is not something worth much to make a big issue about to aim at trudeau personally imo .
Bobo next time I use a whataboutism I’ll use this excuse 😀
Montreal you forget I didn’t vote for Harper the last two elections he ran because of screw ups like the phoenix fiasco, F35, Income Trust changes
I even voted Trudeau the first time he ran
So what you favour in this case lozen ?
Trudeau driving up coal Export while it prevent child labour and slavery in other countries like u love to denounce ?
Or we should eliminate all coal export and exploitation but let child labour and slavery to explode worldwide ?
That what mining is all about right ? 😀
Another whataboutism.
My point is we have a pm who preaches his climate strategies yet tripled the export of the dirtiest fossil fuel . Oops home heating oil may be as dirty and he dropped the carbon tax on that
If you’re going to end coal exports by 2030 you do it gradually.
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Yes I did on purpose to show that screw up by government happens all the time and the 60 millions is not something worth much to make a big issue about to aim at trudeau personally imo .
Dude.
Dude!
C'mon man, this absolutely is a huge boondoggle (I really love that word) and is definitely worth making a big deal of.
Now if you only meant this:
I think that has a certain amount of merit. But unfortunately, when you take on the top job, it makes you answerable for a lot of things you didn't have a direct hand in, fairly or not. And typically by the time these issues blow up to this point, the politicians have had an opportunity to take some steps to fix things or at least mitigate the damage.
On top of that, when I look at the two different issues, it's hard to imagine one that the PM is less likely to have had a direct hand in (or even know the first thing about) than the payroll system. Phoenix wasn't even implemented until Trudeau came to power. So while Phoenix has burned through a lot more money, I actually think ArriveCan is a worse look for the PM.
That said, I wouldn't base my voting decision on either one of those two issues. Not because I don't think they're a big problem, but because I don't think either one, in isolation, is particularly telling of how the government was run. If we had who I considered to be a great PM when either one of those things happened, that wouldn't be enough for me to suddenly change my mind. But I don't think either one was a great PM, and so when it comes to Trudeau, it's simply one more reason why I can't imagine voting Liberal next election. Think I'm probably going to have to decide between Greens and NDP, although it won't matter in my riding as it's solidly Conservative. Unfortunately the Conservatives are running well enough in polling right now that I don't see them making enough of a move to the center to be a possibility for my vote. If there was an election tomorrow, the best realistic outcome I could hope for would be a Conservative minority. Or maybe a Liberal minority that was weak enough to need multi-party support, that would inspire them to clean house enough to be a viable option again, but I don't think that fits my "realistic" criteria.
Come live to Quebec !
U can vote bloc :p
Hard pass. Nice place to visit, but I enjoy our lack of seasons at this time of year. 😃
