The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
Yes, all the dollars that businesses pay in carbon tax go into the exact pool that is rebated out at 90%. So if a business might charge a bit more for something because of this extra cost, but now everyone has more money to buy it. That's how it works. Weird that you are still asking basic questions, that polilievre lie is sure sticking deep with you!
90% of revenue collected by the carbon tax is rebated back mostly equally to tax payers. Most people get more back than they spend. Poor people are particularly benefited as they spend so little. Rural people get back 20% higher percentage than urban people to accommodate for higher costs in rural areas.
90% of revenue collected by the carbon tax is rebated back mostly equally to tax payers. Most people get more back than they spend. Poor people are particularly benefited as they spend so little. Rural people get back 20% higher percentage than urban people to accommodate for higher costs in rural areas.
That is a flat out lie . Also remember that the PBO officer has said that the carbon tax will have no effect on climate change and the PM was getting crushed in the polls in Atlantic Canada and suspended the carbon tax there for folks that use the dirtiest fuel to heat their homes
He also allows all the coal from the USA to be shipped through a CDN port as Washington, California and Oregon ban it
Lol tricked by polievre messaging again? Read the report. It precisely confirms what I said. 90% of the money the government collects is rebated. I know your buddy will never state this and his thousand-fold lie of omission that these rebates are happening fools a lot of people, but this has ALL been explained to you before.
You will be ecstatic to learn that Trudeau is closing the american coal passthrough in 2030 while your buddy will not. Since you care about that, you should vote liberal.
90% of revenue collected by the carbon tax is rebated back mostly equally to tax payers. Most people get more back than they spend. Poor people are particularly benefited as they spend so little. Rural people get back 20% higher percentage than urban people to accommodate for higher costs in rural areas.
So the rebate is like a personal gain like a reversed income tax?
Lol tricked by polievre messaging again? Read the report. It precisely confirms what I said. 90% of the money the government collects is rebated. I know your buddy will never state this and his thousand-fold lie of omission that these rebates are happening fools a lot of people, but this has ALL been explained to you before.
You will be ecstatic to learn that Trudeau is closing the american coal passthrough in 2030 while your buddy will not. Since you care about that, you should vote liberal.
He says he will close the pass through he also promised clean drinking water for Indigenous communities in 4 years and still not even close
Note Uke doesn’t deny that the carbon tax does nothing to help climate change
Challenge him to show you audited statements that the rebate 90% and he can’t . They don’t rebate that to 90% of CDNs they rebate it to about 60% which the majority are liberal voters
Challenge him to show you audited statements that the rebate 90% and he can’t . They don’t rebate that to 90% of CDNs they rebate it to about 60% which the majority are liberal voters
Lol I don't even know what corner of the internet you found this bit of misinformation. Can you quote it?
Of course in reality 90% of the funds (that you bizarrely confuse with 90% of people) are confirmed by PBO to follow the legal requirement. Every single eligible person gets the rebate, it isn't just 60% and it isn't remotely a "majority of liberal voters" - heck rural conservative leaning voters get more in rebates than urban voters! What a bizarre distortion
Here, I'll find the quote for you:
[QUOTE=PBO]We estimate that most households will see a net gain, receiving more in rebates from Climate Action Incentive payments7 than the total amount they pay in the federal fuel charge (directly and indirectly8) and related GST in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador (Table 1). [/QUOTE]
Note carefully this refers to the fiscal impact - the actual dollar figure of money the government gets compared to the dollar figure of money it returns. This doesn't consider secondary economic effects compared to the "do nothing" baseline.
It's a fixed payment to your account every 3 months. If you don't spend a lot on things that take lots of carbon to produce and ship you will end up a big winner.
Ok, this is approximately the neoliberal technocratic model that appeared years ago in the "discourse* and which I oppose but I can clearly admit is a lot better than just jacking up taxes and keeping the money like we do in the EU
Lol I don't even know what corner of the internet you found this bit of misinformation. Can you quote it?
Of course in reality 90% of the funds (that you bizarrely confuse with 90% of people) are confirmed by PBO to follow the legal requirement. Every single eligible person gets the rebate, it isn't just 60% and it isn't remotely a "majority of liberal voters" - heck rural conservative leaning voters get more in rebates than urban voters! What a bizarre distortion
Here, I'll find the quote for yo
What Uke fails to tell you is that it does not factor in the added costs to consumers for goods
So the farmer pays carbon tax on his diesel and propane
The trucker pays carbon tax on his diesel
The store that sells the goods pays carbon tax on the electricity and natural gas in his store
All those costs are passed on to the consumer
Even the PBO officer admits that and the carbon tax goes up on a regular basis
Luckily we will have a new leader that will axe the tax
You notice Uke doesn’t challenge the fact that the PBO officer says the carbon tax will do nothing to mitigate the effects of climate change
Ok, this is approximately the neoliberal technocratic model that appeared years ago in the "discourse* and which I oppose but I can clearly admit is a lot better than just jacking up taxes and keeping the money like we do in the EU
Yes, carbon taxes are a well established approach to carbon pricing in many countries. I suppose if you want to call it "neoliberal technocratic" you can. I like technocratic solutions. It isn't a bad word for me.
So the farmer pays carbon tax on his diesel and propane
The trucker pays carbon tax on his diesel
The store that sells the goods pays carbon tax on the electricity and natural gas in his store
All those costs are passed on to the consumer e
Straight out of Poilievre's lie of omission playbook. That is all true. And 90% of those extra costs are rebated right back to the consumers. So like yes, the costs go up. Obviously, that is the point. And the rebates go up with them. At 90%. There is a critique one can make about secondary economic effects beyond the fiscal effects, but you are not yet articulating the argument.
I'll quote the PBO for you again - note the "and indirectly". You stating indirect costs doesn't help you.
[quote=pbo]
We estimate that most households will see a net gain, receiving more in rebates from Climate Action Incentive payments7 than the total amount they pay in the federal fuel charge (directly and indirectly8) and related GST in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador (Table 1).[/quote]
Try again!
Straight out of Poilievre's lie of omission playbook. That is all true. And 90% of those extra costs are rebated right back to the consumers. So like yes, the costs go up. Obviously, that is the point. And the rebates go up with them. At 90%. There is a critique one can make about secondary economic effects beyond the fiscal effects, but you are not yet articulating the argument.
I'll quote the PBO for you again - note the "and indirectly". You stating indirect costs doesn't help you.
Try again!
Yet again please confirm or deny this statement
The PBO officer has said that the carbon tax will have no effect on reducing the effects of climate change
What Uke fails to tell you is that it does not factor in the added costs to consumers for goods
So the farmer pays carbon tax on his diesel and propane
The trucker pays carbon tax on his diesel
The store that sells the goods pays carbon tax on the electricity and natural gas in his store
All those costs are passed on to the consumer
Even the PBO officer admits that and the carbon tax goes up on a regular basis
Luckily we will have a new leader that will axe the tax
You notice Uke doesn’t challenge
Hey lozen everyone pays for everyone .
Everyone wish no tax was necessary but what can I tell u , the real world needs it .
Yet again please confirm or deny this statement
The PBO officer has said that the carbon tax will have no effect on reducing the effects of climate change
Of course it literally can't matter, even if Canada goes to 0 emissions tomorrow climate change would be identical given than Canadian contributions to total world emissions are less than 1%.
Everyone who claims your contributions are material to climate change is lying through his teeth, that's an objective fact.
Yet again please confirm or deny this statement
The PBO officer has said that the carbon tax will have no effect on reducing the effects of climate change
you can’t whatabout yourself out of a lie buddy. I quoted the pbo disproving your claim. You ignore this and shift to another claim. On that other claim you are again false, the pbo did not say that.
When I disproved your lie, I quoted the proof. Notice how you provide no quote here?
Of course it literally can't matter, even if Canada goes to 0 emissions tomorrow climate change would be identical given than Canadian contributions to total world emissions are less than 1%.
Everyone who claims your contributions are material to climate change is lying through his teeth, that's an objective fact.
Obviously any approach to reducing carbon emissions requires many countries working together. Canada has disproportionately high per capita emissions and so we have a greater responsibility, but of course nobody thinks that single-handedly we can make a drastic difference.
Of course it literally can't matter, even if Canada goes to 0 emissions tomorrow climate change would be identical given than Canadian contributions to total world emissions are less than 1%.
Everyone who claims your contributions are material to climate change is lying through his teeth, that's an objective fact.
Half truth …
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-cli...
Although Canada is ranked 11th in the world for total GHG emissions, Canada has the second-highest GHG emission per capita rate among the top 11 emitting countries and regions.
What does that mean ?
Since we have a growing population , it mean the trend is going higher by doing nothing .
For now we are just lucky to be such a small population for the global impact of our of way of living but we surely are responsible for a lot when we see it by individual and anyone coming here expect to live the same as us ….
Better do something when the cost is small rather then later with much bigger problems . Nip it in the bud …
many think wrongly doing nothing is costing less which isn’t the case .
We already see problems arising more frequently with massives cost already .
Obviously any approach to reducing carbon emissions requires many countries working together. Canada has disproportionately high per capita emissions and so we have a greater responsibility, but of course nobody thinks that single-handedly we can make a drastic difference.
When the claim is "you have to do this for your children, if you do they can have a future on this planet otherwise they don't " (a common theme among green activists), that's actually a claim about you being able to make a drastic difference.
Otherwise all efforts would be on convincing the Chinese, the Mexican, the indians, the Indonesian and the Brasilian to reduce emissions, not your own people.
there is value to be first ….
There is value to be a leader in something …
There is value to do the right thing instead of hiding behind bad actors…
What a loser attitude to rely on others to do the work for you .
Vassy does a great job asking questions on the carbon tax
Broken YouTube LinkAnother new revelation about GC Strategies and the 60 million on the Arrive Scam app
3 weeks after Justin Trudeau won the election a company pops up out of nowhere from a basement led by two guys and become IT Consultants. Do they do IT ? Nope
They receive in the next 8 years 1/4 billion in contracts for IT NO Bid contracts at that . They do not do IT though they hire IT people
The liberals increased government by 40% as well as the money spent on consultants increasing by over 40%
Now the RCMP are investigating but we know how that works as it did with SNC and the Arrive Scam app the Liberals will shut it down or not cooperate
When the claim is "you have to do this for your children, if you do they can have a future on this planet otherwise they don't " (a common theme among green activists), that's actually a claim about you being able to make a drastic difference.
Otherwise all efforts would be on convincing the Chinese, the Mexican, the indians, the Indonesian and the Brasilian to reduce emissions, not your own people.
This is silly. Nobody thinks a single person out of 7 billion is going to make a “drastic difference”. This is something we all have a moral responsibility to reduce our emissions and only together will it succeed, a classic tragedy of the commons problem. Canada has higher per capita emissions so we have a larger personal responsibility, and of course we have the power to change ourselves it makes sense each country should focus on what they can do, but nobody is making the error you are falsely attributing to them.
This is silly. Nobody thinks a single person out of 7 billion is going to make a “drastic difference”. This is something we all have a moral responsibility to reduce our emissions and only together will it succeed, a classic tragedy of the commons problem. Canada has higher per capita emissions so we have a larger personal responsibility, and of course we have the power to change ourselves it makes sense each country should focus on what they can do, but nobody is making the error you are falsel
Canada has a higher per capita emission because we produce a ton of fossil fuels for the world and cleaner than many other countries
I always get a kick out of the moral responsibility yet the likes of Uke have no issue with child labor or slave labor to mine the minerals required for those batteries or to produce those solar panels. They do not care that these mines destroy the ecosystems in these countries .
Even here in Canada the feds are calling to fast track permits for mining and reduce the amount of environmental studies . Quebec leads the way on reducing or eliminating the requirements to mine or build these battery plants
Our Environment minister again said something out loud that he wished he had not. No new money to expand roadways . He wants everyone to bike or ride the bus
