Donald J. Trump (For everyone else except Victor)
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
you then couch it as "but he is not well informed" which is an entirely different argument than the one you set out making
it is the very definition of a goal post shift, but you'll obviously never see it that way for reasons we both know and deflect it as my own personal issue as it couldn't possibly be yours because you have none, again for reasons we both know
rick,
if someone doesn't agree with your positions, they are not well informed.
it's as simple as that.
sincerely,
house
I would venture to say that in every one of those cases if the question was asked if funds could be shifted from the defense budget to any of these programs you'd find similar favorable results. These things can occur without increasing the deficit.
Speaking from personal experience, it wasn't college that turned me more liberal, it was being in the trenches here and being forced to look at statistics around immigration.
Once I was confronted with the proof that my ingrained assumptions were wrong it opened pandoras box for confirmation on everything else. That process generally takes some introspection though, which is generally much harder than endless extrospection.
it wasn't the "hot latina singles in your area" ads?
I would venture to say that in every one of those cases if the question was asked if funds could be shifted from the defense budget to any of these programs you'd find similar favorable results. These things can occur without increasing the deficit.
Why aren't democrats passing free college for everyone and free healthcare for everyone in their states? because it can't be done without raising taxes.
Federal defense expenses follow a bipartisan lock where it basically costs you more politically to cut than to raise , it's a problem linked to how the senate works basically. That's a feature of your society which is ineliminable. Can't think of that as a fund which can be raided, because it can't. Same as social security.
So you can't really ask people about "do you want more free stuff" in a vacuum and then claim your policy platform follows the will of the people , when in actuality you don't do it at the state level where you govern
These are the main policy platforms of the Democratic party. Do you disagree with this info... and if all of these are their core platform, and they are popular, what happened?
Healthcare Reform
Policy Position: Advocates for expanding access to affordable healthcare, including the implementation of a public health insurance option.
Public Support: A Gallup poll from December 2024 found that 62% of U.S. adults believe it is the government's responsibility to provide healthcare coverage, marking the
The problem occurs is when you come down from the view from 30k feet. It is easy to say we should cheap and green energy and all have free healthcare and education. Where the parties differ is how much we should value cheap energy vs clean energy and how much the rich should pay for everyone's healthcare and tax burden.
Those polls, like 60% of people want cleaner energy don't mean anything because of course people want clean energy. The real question that needs to be asked is "would you prefer paying an extra x% for energy and everything that touches energy for a slightly cleaner world?"
Example:
Climate: Everyone wants cheap clean energy. Dems lean towards higher cost of energy in hopes of reducing pollution - while Repubs prefer a lower cost of energy and more pollution than dems.
LGBT: Dems are for trans playing against women in sports and Repubs aren't. Both parties are for marriage for all so throwing that in as something unique that only dems want is beyond silly - you mine as well add that one of the dem policies is to end car wrecks.
Healthcare and Taxes - dems want the rich to pay for healthcare and as much in taxes as possible. repubs think the rich should pay more in taxes than the middle class but not as much as dems think.
minimum wage: dems want higher MW because that means more unemployment and repubs prefer a more free market system.
education: dems prefer daddy gov't to teach as many kids as possible and therefore take the side of teachers (and so the gov't has more power). repubs are moving towards school vouchers because they are on the side of the kids and parents.
voting: Dems think not allowing one person to vote because they don't have a license is 20x worse than having someone vote illegally and repubs think an illegal vote is 20x worse than not allowing someone because they don't have an ID.
Btw freakdaddy, promising free stuff without paying the price is the GOLDEN DEMAGOGUE PROMISE. Nothing can beat it. Promising free stuff and "others pays" is demagoguery 101, and that's structurally what the left always does (which is why the left is ALWAYS more populist definitionally than the right everywhere, it's their freaking basic ideological pillar to steal from the few and give free stuff to the masses).
What are you talking about now... can you stay on topic? You do this in about every conversation.
Who do you think pays for billionaire tax cuts?
But... any ways... back to topic?
The problem occurs is when you come down from the view from 30k feet. It is easy to say we should cheap and green energy and all have free healthcare and education. Where the parties differ is how much we should value cheap energy vs clean energy and how much the rich should pay for everyone's healthcare and tax burden.
Those polls, like 60% of people want cleaner energy don't mean anything because of course people want clean energy. The real question that needs to be asked is "would you prefer p
Congrats! You made a good point. The exact policy positions by and large are still popular, but your point is important. What people want, vs. what they are willing to change/sacrifice, is a whole other discussion.
As far as trans issues... no, Republicans were anti-gay marriage and anti-LGBTQ+ rights for a long time. Eventually, gay rights wasn't a divisive wedge issue anymore, so the Republican party workshoped trans issues.
Except, that wasn't divisive enough either, so they kept testing various focus groups until they finally put together trans issues w/ sports. And the difference there was that more people saw this as a fairness issue... so they were able to run with it.
Republican strategist knew they could pigeonhole democrats on trans issues, because they are historically inclusive of all people. They just needed to connect it to something unjust that more people could get behind.
The most run ad by the Trump campaign was the anti-trans ads. Even though this wasn't even a policy position, and Kamala didn't campaign on it. They were able to take a fringe position of the Democratic Party and make it sound as if everyone was on board.
Congrats to them.
But back to your point, the specific policies themselves are important.
It wasn't about xenophobia, or trans issues (wink, wink)... it was about the price of eggs as we all know... which are still rising, and Trump promised to lower, and now says he can't.
Opps.
ok this was funny 😀
i'm quite surprised, didn't know you had that in your bag
voting: Dems think not allowing one person to vote because they don't have a license is 20x worse than having someone vote illegally and repubs think an illegal vote is 20x worse than not allowing someone because they don't have an ID.
i've never understood this position
it's not even a drivers license, there is official id cards for people without licenses who want to buy alcohol or get into clubs as well as passports
in fact they'll even accept a bunch of things if you somehow have none of those 3
now i don't think there's massive amounts of voting fraud, but anyone who can't provide any of the above simply does not participate in society and we shouldn't have to go beyond those already generous provisions we've made for them
it really feels like a red herring and i've never understood how it ever became an issue in the first place - oh no someone who has no proof they exist in society and couldn't even do many basic functions of society which require ID is inconvenienced when they want to vote
What are you talking about now... can you stay on topic? You do this in about every conversation.
Who do you think pays for billionaire tax cuts?
But... any ways... back to topic?
We are talking about democrats promises of education and healthcare.
That's basic demagoguery every single time they promise it without an increase in taxes for the middle class (which, has shown by the totality of countries worldwide which do have more education and healthcare rapid by the state than the USA, is the only way to achieve it).
Unless you explicitly tell people making 150k/year that they have to pay at least 10k more in taxes, promising a ton more free healthcare and education paid by the federal government is what demagogues do.
And notice that's more demagogic than anything the republicans could ever promise because free stuff is the most demagogic promise of all
As far as trans issues... no, Republicans were anti-gay marriage and anti-LGBTQ+ rights for a long time. Eventually, gay rights wasn't a divisive wedge issue anymore, so the Republican party workshoped trans issues.
Except, that wasn't divisive enough either, so they kept testing various focus groups until they finally put together trans issues w/ sports. And the difference there was that more people saw this as a fairness issue... so they were able to run with it.
Republican strategist knew they
Democrats were against gay marriage for most of their history as well, the 10 years were democrats were in favour and republicans weren't can't be used to claim democrats always were in favor and republicans weren't.
Now both are in favor so using it today is in bad faith. It isn't a topic where either parry differs from the people will, full stop, today.
As for the bold, Harris choose tampon Tim as VP, someone who proudly boasted about trans issues and how he fixed them in Minnesota a lot.
Just own it
Imagine still saying "tampon tim"
anti-trans is a mischaracterization.
it's a) play sports with people of your same gender, and b) don't perform gender altering surgeries on minors
beyond those, i think people are fine with trans folk participating in society in the same manner as everyone else.
anti-trans is a mischaracterization.
it's a) play sports with people of your same gender, and b) don't perform gender altering surgeries on minors
beyond those, i think people are fine with trans folk participating in society in the same manner as everyone else.
All trans people are male gendered? That’s news to me.
Oh yeah, no military service either.
But other than that though, oh yeah no medical care until 19.
anti-trans is a mischaracterization.
it's a) play sports with people of your same gender, and b) don't perform gender altering surgeries on minors
beyond those, i think people are fine with trans folk participating in society in the same manner as everyone else.
not exactly as Trump banned them from partecipating in the federal militaries (as both parties had agreed to do for all American history until recently).
not everyone is happy to pay for "trans care" of adults either, especially if illegals in jail
Damn this sucks for them.
Doctor, my appendix has burst.
Doctor: sorry, you're trans, I can't provide any medical care for you.
they also get psychological counsel if they struggle with being trans.
they don't get any "care" to transition because being trans isn't a disease you "cure", it's not a healthcare issue at all, and transitioning isn't therapy.
Oopsidoodle
anti-trans is a mischaracterization.
it's a) play sports with people of your same gender, and b) don't perform gender altering surgeries on minors
beyond those, i think people are fine with trans folk participating in society in the same manner as everyone else.
you forgot that anyone who doesn't want to sleep with a woman with a penis or a man with a vagina is also evil
I remember lucifer’s entry into this forum being ‘just asking questions about both sides’ guy back when he only posted once or twice a day
Man this guy was just foaming at the mouth to get to ‘tampon tim’ 50 posts per day status asap. The idea that I’m supposed to treat this ghoul with anything that resembles respect is the most intellectually insulting notion around
Congrats! You made a good point. The exact policy positions by and large are still popular, but your point is important. What people want, vs. what they are willing to change/sacrifice, is a whole other discussion.
As far as trans issues... no, Republicans were anti-gay marriage and anti-LGBTQ+ rights for a long time. Eventually, gay rights wasn't a divisive wedge issue anymore, so the Republican party workshoped trans issues.
Except, that wasn't divisive enough either, so they kept testing vario
“Republican party workshoped trans issues” & “they kept testing various focus groups”… it sounds like you are saying repubs listened to voters and adjust their policies to what the people want from govt.
That should have been another difference you pointed out between the two parties considering the most recent dem presidential nominee ran the previous primary and was forced out because dem voters didn’t like her and then 4 years later dems thought it was a good idea to nominate her without input from the people.
Which is much lower than is typical.
I don't understand this whole "Hispanics are racist toward themselves" mantra that liberals keep pushing.
Instead, I think it says a lot about the underlying claim that any American is racist, as opposed to simply not wanting illegal immigrants to come in droves.
I didn't say they were racist, I said they were aholes.
Most people are.
The truth is Western whites are the most tolerant, least assholish people that have probably ever existed, because they have been conditioned to be so. I have spent years and years on this forum pointing out that promoting 3rd world immigration will make the US less progressive in the long run, and this is more or less what we see happening.
Because American voting is polarized along racial lines, 3rd world immigrants have tended to vote Democrat; but dont make any mistake that it is because they have progressive values.
