British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
And herein lies the problem. Even 20 years on, anyone suggesting that ethnicity might be a factor for rape gangs or indeed anything else is branded racist by the far left.
Yeah that's cuz it is racist suggesting such a thing as well as stupid. Over your way, A Pakistani Muslim prosecuted Pakistani grooming gangs. Some people rape. They don't rape due to their ethnicity or religion. The majority of Catholics find rape abhorrent. Doesn't mean there wasn't a rape scandal in the Catholic church. There was also a COE abuse scandal over your way. But I don't hear the far right and right in general wailing about Catholic or Protestants being prone to abuse the way they do about Muslims. Most paedo rings are white, and again crickets from the far right, compared to the thundering they do about Asian gangs. Scumbags come from all backgrounds, just as good people do. That's it.
No, you mustn’t argue with the Elincel feelings that are insisting those brown skinned people he finds scary and has said are more criminal than the host population despite studies showing the opposite, are mainly responsible for grooming young girls.
And herein lies the problem. Even 20 years on, anyone suggesting that ethnicity might be a factor for rape gangs or indeed anything else is branded racist by the far left.
Yeah that's cuz it is racist suggesting such a thing as well as stupid. Over your way, A Pakistani Muslim prosecuted Pakistani grooming gangs. Some people rape. They don't rape due to their ethnicity or relig
Of course they don't do it because of their skin color, it's because of their culture.
The prophet Muhammad consummated a marriage with a 9 year old.
It's not even rape or morally wrong to some of them if the girl is 12-14 and willing. And yes to most of them it is wrong, but I'll bet you my life the % of people who think it's ok is much higher.
If you'd feel safer leaving a young daughter alone in say India or Pakistan etc than in a white community in America, Britain or Sweden you're criminally insane or have never left whatever little bubble you live in and seen the world.
It's well known here in Philippines to not go to Saudi Arabia as a Filipina foreign worker because of rape, imprisonment. Other places like South Korea and Japan are known for being very safe.
Of course they don't do it because of their skin color, it's because of their culture. The prophet Muhammad consummated a marriage with a 9 year old. It's not even rape or morally wrong to some of them if the girl is 12-14 and willing. And yes to most of them it is wrong, but I'll bet you my life the % of people who think it's ok is much higher.If you'd feel safer leaving a you
But for some reason physicians and IT experts of that same culture don't do it.
So maybe it's more about which slice of the original culture you let in, than what the median in the original culture thinks.
Would you feel safer leaving your 12 y daughter an afternoon in a room with 5 quantitative traders from pakistan making 300k+ each per year, or in a room with 5 white men from appalachia making 30k each per year?
Yeah that's cuz it is racist suggesting such a thing as well as stupid. Over your way, A Pakistani Muslim prosecuted Pakistani grooming gangs. Some people rape. They don't rape due to their ethnicity or religion. The majority of Catholics find rape abhorrent. Doesn't mean there wasn't a rape scandal in the Catholic church. There was also a COE abuse scandal over your way. But
Baroness Casey disagrees:
A report into sexual abuse carried out by grooming gangs in England and Wales says there was a "collective failure to address questions about the ethnicity of grooming gangs"
The ethnicity of grooming gangs is "shied away from and is still not recorded for two-thirds of perpetrators", it finds
But the report says in areas where more data was recorded, there was a "disproportionality of group-based child sexual exploitation offending by men of Asian ethnicity"
So is ethnicity a factor on why some people deem it appropriate to throw gay people off buildings or remove the genitals of teenage girls?
if not, what is it?
yes you want to do that even t when events actually confirm my worldview precisely and objectively.Which btw it isn't about the ethnicity per se being terrible to be clear. t's about having certain proof that the UK allowed in low quality people of those ethnicities. Which is something a country should never do. Not because of the ethnicity. But because of the low quality. Just
The report stated that the gang mainly consisted of males of Pakistani heritage. They may have been born in Britain or came when they were toddlers. Furthermore even if they were "allowed in", maybe they had no prior criminal history. You tend to engage in leaps of logic, so yeah, I'm slagging you off for seizing on anything you think will help propagate your worldview.
I'd feel safer with the traders from Pakistan, they are going to be more intelligent and long term thinking with greater impulse control than the men from Appalachia who likely rank below average in those categories.
But of course that's comparing a countries top 0.1% vs a countries bottom 50%.
The report stated that the gang mainly consisted of males of Pakistani heritage. They may have been born in Britain or came when they were toddlers. Furthermore even if they were "allowed in", maybe they had no prior criminal history. You tend to engage in leaps of logic, so yeah, I'm slagging you off for seizing on anything you think will help propagate your worldview.
Socio-economic-status is incredibly inheritable (and not necessarily in the genetic sense). Social mobility is fairly low, especially for immigrants.
Wonna bet those weren't the sons or descendants of upper-middle-class original immigrants? that's the original sin.
I am not talking about criminal history either.
I am talking about letting in very poor uneducated people has bad repercussions for generations unless some very specific elements of your society allow for unprecedented social mobility opportunities (like say, an entire continent of land to exploit because you had just assassinated most previous inhabitants).
European countries simply shouldn't take in people who aren't vastly superior to their own median citizen. That's the only way for european countries to have succesful immigration. That's how switzerland does it.
Of course they don't do it because of their skin color, it's because of their culture.
The prophet Muhammad consummated a marriage with a 9 year old.
What you mean in the 6th century? They really shoulda known better...1500 years ago. Child marriages were much more accepted back then. That doesn't mean it's right but it's telling you put the emphasis on the Muslim that did it.
It's not even rape or morally wrong to some of them if the girl is 12-14 and willing. And yes to most of them it is wrong,
Indeed. Hence my point that you get scum and decent people from all backgrounds.
But I'll bet you my life the % of people who think it's ok is much higher.
Please cite.
If you'd feel safer leaving a young daughter alone in say India or Pakistan etc than in a white community in America, Britain or Sweden you're criminally insane or have never left whatever little bubble you live in and seen the world.
Ah. So it is due to ethnicity? And I'm totally naive and living in a bubble for not buying your snake oil, yeah?
It's well known here in Philippines to not go to Saudi Arabia as a Filipina foreign worker because of rape, imprisonment. Other places like South Korea and Japan are known for being very safe.
Most landlords in my country are Irish
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I take it the Irish are prone to raping and exploiting due to us being Irish? Seriously are you listening to yourself here?
I'd feel safer with the traders from Pakistan, they are going to be more intelligent and long term thinking with greater impulse control than the men from Appalachia who likely rank below average in those categories.
But of course that's comparing a countries top 0.1% vs a countries bottom 50%.
Yes because that's actually what filtered immigration would allow you to do as long as you are a very desirable destination for talented, succesful, 3 sigma or better people.
The top 1% of India is 15M people. That's enough for the UK for generations (and after a generation, a new generation of talent will be available again from india). That's how a country should think.
Just target the very top of the crop. Only if that fails and you can't find enough of them you lower you standards. But even if you do, it never becomes advisable to take in the median person from a country that has worse outcome than yours.
Socio-economic-status is incredibly inheritable (and not necessarily in the genetic sense). Social mobility is fairly low, especially for immigrants.Wonna bet those weren't the sons or descendants of upper-middle-class original immigrants? that's the original sin.I am not talking about criminal history either. I am talking about letting in very poor uneducated people has bad re
Was this gang let in? Or where they born in Britain? How do you know they were poor or uneducated assuming they were allowed in and not born in Britain?
I can't be bothered to find some studies that only get paid for by governments that are absolutely terrified of coming across as racist.
Spend 6 months in white America and spend 6 months in India look at me with a straight face and tell me you'd feel equally as safe leaving a young daughter or son alone there.
I doubt you've ever left your bubble if this isn't already self evident to you.
I'd feel safer with the traders from Pakistan, they are going to be more intelligent and long term thinking with greater impulse control than the men from Appalachia who likely rank below average in those categories. But of course that's comparing a countries top 0.1% vs a countries bottom 50%.
Yes because that's actually what filtered immigration would allow you to do as long a
Should you be trying to poach all the talent from a country that's already struggling?
I can't be bothered to find some studies that only get paid for by governments that are absolutely terrified of coming across as racist.
So you can't cite to back up your assertion? Okay.
Spend 6 months in white America and spend 6 months in India look at me with a straight face and tell me you'd feel equally as safe leaving a young daughter or son alone there.
I doubt you've ever left your bubble if this isn't already self evident to you.
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Can't be bothered to debate someone who's never left his mom's basement and listens to NPR all day, a strawman on my part undoubtedly but also likely true.
It's a particular criminal subculture seen mainly in Pakistani men in these cases, but not so much in Bengali or Indian Muslim men. And the public scandal is to do with the officials who covered up for the rape gangs, and those people mostly aren't Pakistani as far as I know.
Well there are 0 sum considerations yes. But keep in mind if you don't do it, other countries will do it anyway, that talent is going to leave regardless in today and tomorrow world especially.
Talent has been highly mobile for decades, several countries compete for it , the brain drain from badly managed countries will happen anyway.
Can't be bothered to debate someone who's never left his mom's basement and listens to NPR all day, a strawman on my part undoubtedly but also likely true.
Also an Argumentum ad hominem, so not worth addressing.
You were invited to cite to back up your assertion and showed yourself unwilling/unable to do so. Therefore your assertion doesn't need to be entertained.
I always found the notion of the South Yorkshire Police being too PC to investigate the grooming for fear of being called racist a bit hard to take.
Knowledge of this would also explain the reluctance to go down the full public inquiry route.
Rotherham survivor Sammy Woodhouse has named a police officer (now dead, apparently) who she says took part in the rapes.
I hadn't herd that but it fits some of the profiles we now have of how some of our police forces operate.
Yes because that's actually what filtered immigration would allow you to do as long as you are a very desirable destination for talented, succesful, 3 sigma or better people.The top 1% of India is 15M people. That's enough for the UK for generations (and after a generation, a new generation of talent will be available again from india). That's how a country should think.Just ta
That's very much what has been happening - IT and accountancy have many Indian migrants.
Well done Jalfrezi - we're halfway through the year now so it looks like we can say you won the 2025 prediction game, (assuming we're not counting don't knows as being on my side, which was not how I imagined it).
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