Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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This is bullshit. Ireland was neutral during ww2, the end. And we are a modern state and don't need to be lectured by some brit whose country has an unholy amount of blood on its hands va its brutal oppressive colonialist past. Clean up your own gaff before whinging about others.Oh and BTW I last I checked you support Israel? I take it they couldn't decide whether the nazis w
Is that what they teach in Ireland schools? That Nazis and Jews/Israel were collaborators? LOL. Maybe Ireland needs the UNRWA to come take over their education system.
In all seriousness, we all know that when it comes to Ireland, as a general rule they just try to figure out what side of an issue Britain is on, and then take the other side out of principle. And there isn't much beyond that.
So given Britain's role in forming Israel in the first place, Ireland is always going to be anti-Israel out of principle. And there really isn't anything to do about it. Of course, given this there really is no reason the UN should have Irish "peacekeeping" troops in southern Lebanon supporting Hezbollah on our tax dollars. But the UN sucks as a general rule, so not surprising.
As a teacher i can tell you that history textbooks today definitely talk about American genocide of native Americans much more than when I went to school
Is that what they teach in Ireland schools? That Nazis and Jews/Israel were collaborators? LOL. Maybe Ireland needs the UNRWA to come take over their education system. In all seriousness, we all know that when it comes to Ireland, as a general rule they just try to figure out what side of an issue Britain is on, and then take the other side out of principle. And there isn'
A) I'm pro Israel
B) Israel still protected Walter Rauff
(who pioneered mobile gas Chambers by using large vans), five short years after The Holocaust,even if I recognise the context, as he was spying for them on Syria
C) differentiate between Ireland and its government.
D) Ireland has a very proud distinguished record re UN peacekeeping duties, unlike your country which has a history of invading energy rich countries, cosying up to various scummy dictators and regimes and subverting democracy by financing coups,, when they weren't nuking countries, and interning minorities, so you're another one who needs to clean his own house first before whinging about others
E) I also don't need to be lectured by someone who likes neo nazi scumbags like Richard Hannania., so I'm not really interested in your opinion
Also as a teacher during spirit week we had teachers dress like students day .. I had a blast
Nah. There really isn't anything Israel can do to target the Houthis. Just too far away. Really all they can do is bomb the infrastructure in Yemen, as a hopeful deterrent.
But of all the actors in the region, the Houthis seem particularly irrational and indifferent to the people they supposedly serve; so it isn't clear anything will move the needle much.
Saudi Arabia bombed and blockaded to the point the US had to take them off the terrorist list so they could receive aid to avoid mass starvation. You could Gaza the place and they'll probably just thank you for the free fireworks show.
A) I'm pro IsraelB) Israel still protected Walter Rauff (who pioneered mobile gas Chambers by using large vans), five short years after The Holocaust,even if I recognise the context, as he was spying for them on Syria C) differentiate between Ireland and its government. D) I also don't need to be lectured by someone who likes neo nazi scumbags like Richard Hannania., so I'm n
Well, you personally can be pro Israel. But at the institutional level Ireland is always going to view Israel negatively for the reasons listed above. That is probably why Ireland is getting a very different treatment than Spain or Norway. Both of those countries are currently dominated by far left wing parties; and their anti-Israel stance are an extension of those party politics. And if/when different govts come into power, it is possible those nations will become more reasonable. There is no real expectation Ireland is ever going to turn the corner on their view of Israel at the institutional level.
Ireland is a hub for weapons to Israel. dont worry Dun, they are helping with the genocide still.
hub is the wrong word. apologies for the fake news. they were using airspace rather.
hub is the wrong word. apologies for the fake news. they were using airspace rather.
As Boids pointed out, Ireland's entire economy is predicated on helping US firms avoid paying taxes. So becoming a headache for the US is definitely not in their best interests, whatever their politics.
They should probably lay VERY low the next 4 years, as Trump is exactly the type of person who would threaten (and follow through) to amend tax laws if they get on his bad side.
How have there been like 30 different instances of Israeli soldiers wearing the panties from the homes of Palestinian women they've invaded? What's going on?
You are still very arrogant, and you are most certainly not smart. Everything you wrote here was very stupid for many obvious reasons.
OK kid
Well, you personally can be pro Israel. But at the institutional level Ireland is always going to view Israel negatively for the reasons listed above. That is probably why Ireland is getting a very different treatment than Spain or Norway. Both of those countries are currently dominated by far left wing parties; and their anti-Israel stance are an extension of those party po
I won't argue with you on that, a s there is some truth to it. There's plenty of pro Israel Irish who are angered at the Irish government's pro Palestinian stance. But institutionally, you're probably right.
Israel isn't committing genocide regardless of your bad faith flat out gaslighting at this point
hmm, maybe you should call up Human Rights Watch and let them know they got it wrong.
Not interested in your biased against Israel sources,which is well known. Even its founder accused them of bias and poor evidence gathering methods. So again Israel isn't committing genocide regardless of your gaslighting and your source is dismissed.
So given Britain's role in forming Israel in the first place, Ireland is always going to be anti-Israel out of principle. .
I don't think that's the only reason. Ireland experienced something of a genocide itself in the 1840s, when its population of over 8 million was reduced by almost a half, so it's natural for many Irish people to identify with the victims of genocides.
Not interested in your biased against Israel sources,which is well known. Even its founder accused them of bias and poor evidence gathering methods. So again Israel isn't committing genocide regardless of your gaslighting and your source is dismissed.
you wont get me to praise HRW as its a Western created and funded tool for power which just shows how blatantly genocidal Israel is acting. and ofc they are biased, anyone who values even the slightest shred of human rights is rightfully biased against Israel.
man, maybe there is something to what Dun is saying
ireland and switzerland are both countries which couldn't decide whether the nazis were bad news. both are large tax avoidance schemes dressed up as modern states.
Have you spent much time in Switzerland, Boids?
Baffling how a nation crippled by imperialism and ethnic oppression isn't siding with Israel.
only things ireland is crippled by is that a pint apparently costs more than a tenner if you go to the wrong place
i have never been to switzerland
I tried to let them know but they have no interest in hearing from Jews
I don't think that's the only reason. Ireland experienced something of a genocide itself in the 1840s, when its population of over 8 million was reduced by almost a half, so it's natural for many Irish people to identify with the victims of genocides.
Story checks out.
Ireland maintained a public stance of neutrality to the end by refusing to close the German and Japanese Legations. The Taoiseach Éamon de Valera personally visited Ambassador Hempel at his home in Dún Laoghaire on 2 May 1945 to express official condolences on the death of German dictator Adolf Hitler, following the usual protocol on the death of a Head of State of a state with a legation in Ireland. President Hyde visited Hempel separately on 3 May.[49] Irish envoys in other nations did likewise, but no other Western European democracies followed Ireland's example.[50] The visits caused a storm of protest in the United States.[51]
De Valera denounced reports of Bergen-Belsen concentration camp as "anti-national propaganda"; according to Paul Bew, this was not out of disbelief but rather because the Holocaust undermined the assumptions underlying Irish neutrality: moral equivalence between the Allies and the Axis, and the idea that the Irish were the most persecuted people in Europe.[52]
Ireland's position on Jewish refugees fleeing Europe was one of scepticism. Irish authorities during the war generally gave two justifications for turning away prospective immigrants: that they would overcrowd the nation and take Irish jobs, and that a substantial increase in the Jewish population might give rise to an antisemitic problem.[53] There was some domestic anti-Jewish sentiment during World War II, most notably expressed in a notorious speech to the Dáil in 1943, when newly elected independent TD Oliver J. Flanagan advocated "routing the Jews out of the country".[54][55]
There was some official indifference from the political establishment to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust during and after the war. This indifference would later be described by Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Michael McDowell as being "antipathetic, hostile and unfeeling".[56] Dr. Mervyn O'Driscoll of University College Cork reported on the unofficial and official barriers that prevented Jews from finding refuge in Ireland:
Although overt anti-Semitism was not typical, the Southern Irish were indifferent to the Nazi persecution of the Jews and those fleeing the [T]hird Reich….A successful applicant in 1938 was typically wealthy, middle-aged or elderly, single from Austria, Roman Catholic and desiring to retire in peace to Ireland and not engage in employment. Only a few Viennese bankers and industrialists met the strict criterion of being Catholic, although possibly of Jewish descent, capable of supporting themselves comfortably without involvement in the economic life of the country.[57]
