Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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He said Hamas were totally justified using refugee camps to launch attacks, and its civilians as human shields, essentially admitting he doesn't care about civilians. So that tells you all you need to know- Israel bad no matter what and Hamas justified in pretty much anything they do because Israel Bad. His stance in this regard is truly ridiculous.
I said they were justified firing from the current death camp.
The human shield argument is moot bc they don't use human shields. Israel aims for children so it would be more like human magnets.
I said they were justified firing from the current death camp.
The human shield argument is moot bc they don't use human shields. Israel aims for children so it would be more like human magnets.
Ofc they use human shields by launching attacks from refugee camps. And hospitals. And schools. And Mosques. So yeah, you're justifying the use of human shields and admitting you don't care about the children you constantly bang on about, due to this. Nor are said camps "death camps", this is just more bad faith bullshit from you- at best- or can arguably be seen as a dog whistle, as you can't outright make Nazi comparisons like you did previously. Neither is a good look for you and only highlights how you're incapable of honest, good faith discussion.
It's a death camp by definition. That's what any normal person calls a place where food and water are cut off and 100s of civilians are executed a day.
It's a death camp by definition. That's what any normal person calls a place where food and water are cut off and 100s of civilians are executed a day.
Nope, refugee camp which Hamas use to launch attacks along with its inhabitants as human shields. Including teh babies. Sad you don't care about little Palestinian babies and feel Hamas are justified using poor little babies as human shields.
Good thing that's honest reporting Canada and not the group I'm using
By hamas count 46,000 people have died. Israel claims 20,000 are HAMAS. There are over 2 million people in Gaza and that means possibly 26,000 civilians died in 15 months
It is not even close to a genocide. Stop with the propaganda bullshit
"It is a duty to refuse (to take part in) the Gaza Holocaust"
One thing missing from the debate between Vic and the pro-Israel crowd is that even (and especially) Israeli leadership understands that it's not actually possible to 'eradicate Hamas.'
Remember that tunnel system that everyone was talking about so much post Oct 7, but now is being swept under the rug by pro-Israel media? That's still there, and although how it actually works in kept very close to the vest by Hamas militants, one can assume that there is twenty years' worth of weapons accumulation under there, preparing for this exact scenario. Due to the extensive effort by the Gazans to weed out collaborators over the past couple decades, air strikes can't do anything about this.
If Israel's goal was really to eradicate Hamas, they would be making bigger sacrifices, sending people into the tunnels and figuring out how they work... but they're not.
Instead the goal is to use 'Hamas eradication' as cover to inflict punishment on the population that supports them, which can safely be done from the air with an unlimited supply of weapons from the US (is it any surprise they are losing the battle for the hearts and minds of future generations?).
The "goal" is a Japan/Germany WW2 endgame. The problem is that the Japanese and Germans had incentive to surrender, as they were allowed to continue living on their ancestral land (Japan even got to keep the emperor), which, in addition to the guerilla component and the fact that the Gazans knew they would have to go through huge suffering going into this, makes it completely different.
In all likelihood, Israeli leadership understands this as well, and are using the WW2 endgame as cover to make Gaza completely unlivable and ultimately ethnically cleanse it, which is very in line with the rhetoric of Smolitch, Ben-Givr, etc.
And the great thing for these guys is that they have an army of pro-Israel posters (literally and figuratively, given that I'm assuming everyone in this thread is a volunteer) to grease up the slope and send us hurdling toward the final solution.
you brought to my attention that he maybe someone worth following. I dont click all of the retweets and read all of the comments.
people in a death camp are justified in fighting back against their tormenters. absolutely without a doubt they are justified in firing rockets at the people who have been trying to exterminate them for 80+ years.
It's a shame the "Palestinians" don't put the same effort into building up their nation as they do trying to destroy Israel.
Here is a quote from the great Golda Meir
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel".
First of all
The West bank has nothing to do with hamas or gaza so I'm not you my to debate Judea and Samaria today
If you need any more lessons in reality, feel free to ask
Yeah dude for sure the persecution of Palestinians in the West Bank has nothing to do with the persecution of Palestinians in Gaza.
I really do wish I believed your version of “reality”
Doesn’t trust Western governments but completely trusts radical terrorist groups without a second thought. Calling other people mentally challenged. Really can’t make this stuff up.
Show me where I said I trusted any terrorist group. Not very nice of you to make baseless assumptions or put words in my mouth.
One thing missing from the debate between Vic and the pro-Israel crowd is that even (and especially) Israeli leadership understands that it's not actually possible to 'eradicate Hamas.'Remember that tunnel system that everyone was talking about so much post Oct 7, but now is being swept under the rug by pro-Israel media? That's still there, and although how it actually works in
It seems to me the "final solution" and the most common sense solution would be to give back the hostages and stop attacking Israel.
Yeah dude for sure the persecution of Palestinians in the West Bank has nothing to do with the persecution of Palestinians in Gaza.
mouth.
Gaza is a sovereign territitu that decided to vote in a terrorist organization that caused 2 nations, Israel and Egypt, to control the borders and inspect what comes into the country
The west bank is contested territory that Israel does have military control of, and they either should annex it or stop settling it i agree. But they are not part of Gaza, do not have the same government
Hamas does want control of both territories sure. But they will control neither
One thing missing from the debate between Vic and the pro-Israel crowd is that even (and especially) Israeli leadership understands that it's not actually possible to 'eradicate Hamas.'Remember that tunnel system that everyone was talking about so much post Oct 7, but now is being swept under the rug by pro-Israel media? That's still there, and although how it actually works in
Ridiculous comment
I'll bet anyone in this thread that hamas will not only be rebuilt and livable, but it will be Palestinians still living there. There will be no Israeli settlements there. Bet can settle in 2034. Luckbox can hold the money. Up to $1000
One thing missing from the debate between Vic and the pro-Israel crowd is that even (and especially) Israeli leadership understands that it's not actually possible to 'eradicate Hamas.'Remember that tunnel system that everyone was talking about so much post Oct 7, but now is being swept under the rug by pro-Israel media? That's still there, and although how it actually works in
This is a bad post. Hamas will have to agree to disband and its leaders going into exile, or there will be no peace, and the occupation will continue indefinitely. It is simply a matter of how much pain Hamas is willing to inflict on the Palestinians for their own selfish ends before this happens. And how long outside actors like Qatar and Turkey will keep propping them up.
Israel doesn't have the manpower, will or carte blanche with the world community to do what the Allies did to Germany. If they did, Gaza would have been pacified a long time ago, with probably literally hundreds of thousands dead. Gaza could be pacified in a few days if there was the will to do so. It has no food or water and relies completely on Israel allowing food and water in. If aid was really shut off then Gaza would capitulate within a few days. But Israel doesn't have the desire or carte blanche to do this, so not really worth even discussing. But the Allies were more then willing to let Germans starve to death without unconditional surrender.
Israel has no plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza or settle Israeli civilians there. Its plan is to make an agreement for a post Hamas peace, and then have the PA and international community come in and execute a good faith effort to maintain said peace under Israeli supervision, and if they cant accomplish this Israel will come back in.
The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com 
Cliffs
Blinken says that hamas kept backing out of ceasefire deals because they wanted others (hezbollah, houthis) to fight Israel
He says they did cause Israel to be more cognizant of civilians
He believes at times Israel didn't do enough but that they followed laws
He said he was astounded that there wasn't enough pressure on hamas worldwide to give back hostages and that's why they didn't
CV: Killing two civilians for every one "Hamas" is regrettable but necessary
Also CV: I don't think the UK army would have been justified if it had killed two civilians for every "IRA" in Cork and Dublin in the 1970s
The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com Coming from the administration that:
“Has worked tirelessly to broker a cease fire”
Has given Israel $14b in arms in 15 months.
Seems credible to me.
The Biden administration did try hard for a ceasefire
But they handcuffed Israel by condemning them and empowered hamas to constantly reject them
