Israel/Palestine thread
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Begin, a Nobel Laureate and ex PM of Israel, was part of a Militant group for 5 years and he has written in The Revolt — “we were not a terrorist group”. Fighting for a cause and taking on the mighty British empire got him branded as a terrorist.
Absolutely knee-slapping hilarious how you continuously throw out baseless racist trope claiming that Hamas wants the eradication of Israel
the stated long term goal of hamas is the eradication of israel and the extermination and/or forced deportation of its jewish inhabitants
i do not know if this policy has been updated since all their leaders died, but if so, i'm yet to hear about it
Begin, a Nobel Laureate and ex PM of Israel, was part of a Militant group for 5 years and he has written in The Revolt — “we were not a terrorist group”. Fighting for a cause and taking on the mighty British empire got him branded as a terrorist.
Im pretty sure blowing up hotels full of civilians for political purposes is definitionally terrorism.
Im pretty sure blowing up hotels full of civilians for political purposes is definitionally terrorism.
Whether that's true or not, making up quotes about the leader to spread false propoganda must work, since I guy in this thread still believes Begin said that 80 years later when he never said anything of the sort
actually, now that I think about it, I was wrong. its ok when white people blow up hotels. so that just makes Begin a standard colonial supremacist mass murderer.
the stated long term goal of hamas is the eradication of israel and the extermination and/or forced deportation of its jewish inhabitants
i do not know if this policy has been updated since all their leaders died, but if so, i'm yet to hear about it
Don’t worry there are endless generations of resistance fighters to follow; I’m sure they’ll make their intent clear.
More importantly, nothing justifies war crimes including whataboutism.
like I said, its ok when white people do it (well not Irish I guess)
Killing innocent "relatives" of terrorists is a war crime.
What evidence do you have that they were related anyway? None I guess, but a shared last name is enough for you.
Just admit you're lying again and move on imo.
Do you think the Hamas attack on Oct 7th was a war crime?
I keep hearing about all the bad things Israel does and yet none of the anti Israel crowd want to talk about how bad Hamas is.
What do you think the Gazans should do moving forward. Continue to fight and die and make their living conditions worse or try something new?
Imagine if they would have just taken the deal back in 48. Imagine fighting for 80 years and getting absolutely nowhere. In fact, their lives have progressively gotten worse and worse. Meanwhile their enemy who they vowed to wipe out has become stronger.
My empathy for the Palestinian cause has been alive and thriving longer than Hamas has existed.
Absolutely knee-slapping hilarious how you continuously throw out baseless racist trope claiming that Hamas wants the eradication of Israel and then turn around and call for the eradication of Palestinians.
I prefer to listen to people like Illan Pappe or Noam Chomsky, both of whom are Jewish and have been calling for the Palestinian cause for decades by the way, rather than a troll who literally pro
how is it racist to disagree with Hamas (and any other similar group in the present or the past) in any way lol?
There was no deal to be taken mongo. Israel planned to drive them out for years in advance.
I think that history shows that you can never make deals with oppressor Supremacist Western nations bc they will always break them. So it's the Palestinian people's decision to either fight or accept enslavement.
Killing innocent "relatives" of terrorists is a war crime.
What evidence do you have that they were related anyway? None I guess, but a shared last name is enough for you.
Just admit you're lying again and move on imo.
Innocent relatives? the relative worked for Gaza now, a front for Hamas. A media group that in 2022 exalted acts of terrors against Israelis (the knife attacks).
And the fact he was a relative is irrelevant (i think it is from the wiki i linked to you, but wiki could be wrong), every one working for "Gaza now" deserves death as an active terrorist.
Imposing collective punishment, or in other words breaching international humanitarian law is justified is it?
There is no imposing any collective punishment by Israel. Hamas puts civilian palestinians lives in danger and that's the only entity responsible every time any innocent civilian gets injured or killed.
Every single civilian who died has been killing exclusively and uniquely because of Hamas.
Hamas (and all similar group) should all unconditionally surrender, and until they do, it's 100% their fault for anything bad that happen in the area, because Israel has a complete moral right (and imperative) to kill each and every one of those terrorists, and if they live among the population, hide in hospitals and so on, collateral damage is inevitable.
Begin, a Nobel Laureate and ex PM of Israel, was part of a Militant group for 5 years and he has written in The Revolt — “we were not a terrorist group”. Fighting for a cause and taking on the mighty British empire got him branded as a terrorist.
Terrorist says I am not a terrorist.
Should we believe him?
Is he Israeli?
No - > terrorist
Yes - > not a terrorist
Innocent relatives? the relative worked for Gaza now, a front for Hamas. A media group that in 2022 exalted acts of terrors against Israelis (the knife attacks).
And the fact he was a relative is irrelevant (i think it is from the wiki i linked to you, but wiki could be wrong), every one working for "Gaza now" deserves death as an active terrorist.
You’re just making it all up now. Astronaut meme.
You don’t even have any evidence that the murdered person was related to the Hamas person, but that’s irrelevant anyway because in civilised societies we don’t kill people because of who they’re related to or who their friends are, do we, and in fact this is a war crime that you are defending.
There was no deal to be taken mongo. Israel planned to drive them out for years in advance.
I think that history shows that you can never make deals with oppressor Supremacist Western nations bc they will always break them. So it's the Palestinian people's decision to either fight or accept enslavement.
It looks like this was a defensive plan to prepare for the imminent Arab attack. It's similar to what happened in 67. These things seem to all start with an imminent Arab attack.
You’re just making it all up now. Astronaut meme.
You don’t even have any evidence that the murdered person was related to the Hamas person, but that’s irrelevant anyway because in civilised societies we don’t kill people because of who they’re related to or who their friends are, do we, and in fact this is a war crime that you are defending.
You are correct. In a civilized world you don't attack young kids at a music festival or families in a Kibbutz. You don't fire rockets in the hopes of randomly killing somebody. You don't take hostages.
Are you still a supporter of the "resistance"?
Not one US dollar should go towards rebuilding Gaza until Hamas is out of power
You are correct. In a civilized world you don't attack young kids at a music festival or families in a Kibbutz. You don't fire rockets in the hopes of randomly killing somebody. You don't take hostages.
Are you still a supporter of the "resistance"?
I've never been a supporter of Hamas. Please stop this nonsense now.
I don't think the Oct 7th attacks were right but when attacked as Palestinians have been for many decades, you do have the right to attack back.
The US should understand this better than most as they constantly cited their right to respond with force after 9/11.
I was just watching Candace Owens being interviewed by pierce Morgan where she says that Bibi knew the attack would happen and the US and Bibi wanted it to happen and the idf didn't respond for 2 hours because they wanted it to happen and I forgot I was watching far right whackjob Candace Owens and thought i was reading from the anti zionist lefties in this thread
Both the far right and the far left hate Israel and people who are not extreme support Israel's right to exist and don't buy into this "occupying zionist geonocide" bullshit narrative
You’re just making it all up now. Astronaut meme.
You don’t even have any evidence that the murdered person was related to the Hamas person, but that’s irrelevant anyway because in civilised societies we don’t kill people because of who they’re related to or who their friends are, do we, and in fact this is a war crime that you are defending.
hello? the killed "journalist" worked for "Gaza now". that's what justifies the killing. he has the same surname as the founder of "Gaza now". he might or might not be a relative.
doesn't matter as what fully justified targeting him was being an active operative for an Hamas front.
in civilized societies during a war we kill enemy operatives. it doesn't become a war crime because they pretended to be journalists
