Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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Hamas doesnt do that bc they know that Israel targets paramedics and aid workers more than anyone else.
regardless, yes unequivocally any means necessary is morally justified to fight against these monsters.
any means necessary includes killing, kidnapping, raping, and torturing civilians, right?
so by your own standards israel is doing nothing inherently wrong
no bad tactics, only bad targets
Israel is the aggressor so everything they do is "wrong".
any means necessary includes killing, kidnapping, raping, and torturing civilians, right?
well when Hamas starts doing these things then I might consider it wrong.
those are not necessary means for the Palestinians. they are necessary for the ethnosupremacist genociders of White Empire bc extermination is an important component of the ideology.
those are not necessary means for the Palestinians. they are necessary for the ethnosupremacist genociders of White Empire bc extermination is an important component of the ideology.
I guess those hostages just appeared out of nowhere in Gaza and Hamas has been keeping them safe and warm ever since. What a heartwarming excursion of cultural exchange
This isn't true, but regardless you have a very confused perception of humanity if you really believe this. The idea that you should necessarily risk the lives of your own troops to protect civilians of the enemy is an extremely modern idea, that has been very unevenly applied in the short time it has been around. Hamas certainly doesn't subscribe to such ideas.
Do you think Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great followed the Geneva Conventions? I don't.
Sorry, but I constantly have to correct this flaw in your thinking.
Genghis and Alexander were self-sufficient. Genghis and Alexander didn't need constant resupply from a foreign power in order to pursue their Machiavellian ends. The analogy makes sense for Russia, but not for Israel.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of a historical analogy that would work for this. Israel is like a colonial viceroy in 19th century India or Latin America, but with far more autonomy.
I guess those hostages just appeared out of nowhere in Gaza and Hamas has been keeping them safe and warm ever since. What a heartwarming excursion of cultural exchange
some even appeared from a tank
Hamas has been keeping them safe and warm ever since.
Israel killed a lot of them unfortunately with the Hannibal Directive
there is video of Israel burning a journalist alive today.
there is no video of Hamas burning anyone alive despite the claims from Israel just fyi.
settlers murdered an American boy aged 14 in the West Bank too. he was probably Hamas tho.
settlers murdered an American boy aged 14 in the West Bank too. he was probably Hamas tho.
I think the official line on that, since saying he was Hamas is a bridge too far, is "none of this would be happening if not for Hamas". The unofficial line, what is said in Israelis living rooms, is nothing at all or just the word "goyim", maybe with a shrug and a chuckle.
Israel is the aggressor so everything they do is "wrong".
well when Hamas starts doing these things then I might consider it wrong.
It's weird how these privileged people who have never been near a war think they have a clue what is going on. "But I read a lot of articles and news stories".....
I think the official line on that, since saying he was Hamas is a bridge too far, is "none of this would be happening if not for Hamas". The unofficial line, what is said in Israelis living rooms, is nothing at all or just the word "goyim", maybe with a shrug and a chuckle.
I'm sure the word "terrorist" is used in there unofficial conversations.
The Israeli govt has released a statement that the lawmakers lied about being part of a Parliamentary delegation. And upon further investigation, it was determined their purpose was to engage in anti-Israel activism and were denied entrance.
Keep in mind Israel has previously denied entrance to US lawmakers Tlaib and Omar on similar grounds, and unlike the UK lawmakers they had actually scheduled an official visit. So it is not like this is without precedent.
It being with precedent is a point against Israel not for it.
Not sure of the source but is this a 'we chucked them out and then investigated and found a reason to' trolling defense?
I give Israelis a little more credit. They know what a terrorist is. They live in a state which engages in terrorism on a daily basis. The definition of terrorism as any violence committed by any non white non state actors is for dumbdumb racist Americans.
This creep is truly a demon amongst demons. Change the proper nouns and you'll find SS officers who said this same thing he wrote above.
Why is a literal murderer allowed to freely post in a manner in which he attempts to justify said murder (and the murders committed by his friends/fellow death squad members)? Now, fortunately, he's a shitty writer and not a particularly intelligent person, so he's unlikely to ever actually CONVINCE anybody of anything, but that possibility shouldn't even ha
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Israel’s military razed huge swathes of land inside the perimeter of Gaza and ordered troops to turn the area into a “kill zone” where anybody who entered was a target, according to testimony by soldiers who carried out the plan.
Israeli combatants said they were ordered to destroy homes, factories and farmland roughly 1km (0.6 miles) inside the perimeter of Gaza to make a “buffer zone”, with one describing the area as looking like Hiroshima.
The testimonies are some of the first accounts by Israeli soldiers to be published since the latest war started in October 2023 after Hamas’s attack on Israel. They were collected by Breaking the Silence, a group founded in 2004 by Israeli veterans who aim to expose the reality of the military’s grip over Palestinians. The Guardian interviewed four of the soldiers who corroborated the accounts.
Titled “The Perimeter” and published on Monday, the report said the stated purpose of the plan was to create a thick strip of land that provided a clear line of sight for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to identify and kill militants. “This space was to have no crops, structures, or people. Almost every object, infrastructure installation, and structure within the perimeter was demolished,” it said.
Soldiers were “given orders to deliberately, methodically, and systematically annihilate whatever was within the designated perimeter, including entire residential neighbourhoods, public buildings, educational institutions, mosques, and cemeteries, with very few exceptions”, the report added.
The ultimate result, however, was the creation of “a death zone of enormous proportions”, the report said. “Places where people had lived, farmed, and established industry were transformed into a vast wasteland, a strip of land eradicated in its entirety.”
Not allowed to use the H word so someone better think of another word we can use to describe the systematic murder and starvation of tens of thousands of people based only on their ethnic identity, all supported by most posters in this thread.
--The families of several Americans who were murdered on 10/7 are suing a Palestinian-Amerian investor (who is aligned with Trump) who was involved in a lot of infrastructure projects that Hamas co-opted to build their terror infrastructure.
Truthfully, if you follow the money most of it seems to come from the American taxpayer. At the end of the day the UN and groups like USAID have been the main financiers of Hamas.
I don't know if this lawsuit is going to go anywhere. But I think it underscores how much you cant put the genie back in the bottle, and how incumbent it is to get rid of Hamas for good. If Hamas stayed in power, even as a semi-autonomous militia; any outside group that came in to develop Gaza would be subject to intense legal scrutiny; and probably should be.
Sorry, but I constantly have to correct this flaw in your thinking.
Genghis and Alexander were self-sufficient. Genghis and Alexander didn't need constant resupply from a foreign power in order to pursue their Machiavellian ends. The analogy makes sense for Russia, but not for Israel.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of a historical analogy that would work for this. Israel is like a colonial viceroy in 19th century India or Latin America, but with far more autonomy.
This is a giant tangent that doesn't really address my point at all; that Victor's concept of "humanity" is very flawed and self serving to his ideology.
Regardless, with global supply chains being the way they are; except for maybe China there is literally no nation or armed group that could wage a war without constant resupply from foreign powers. Including the US and Russia, which are both very dependent on supply from foreign powers.
So I am not sure what your point is. Israel is certainly more self sufficient than Hamas is, so your point kind of falls apart at first glance.
Not allowed to use the H word so someone better think of another word we can use to describe the systematic murder and starvation of tens of thousands of people based only on their ethnic identity, all supported by most posters in this thread.
Well, since you aren't allowed to use the word; it is probably a good thing this isn't happening at all anywhere but in your imagination.
I don't know if this lawsuit is going to go anywhere. But I think it underscores how much you cant put the genie back in the bottle, and how incumbent it is to get rid of Hamas for good.
lol
Kill everyone in Hamas (don't know how else you're gonna get rid of the only entity fighting on behalf of a million+ victims of genocide), and every remaining Arab in the area forms Hamas 2. And, of course, in your processes of murder, you'll end up killing many, many, MANY completely innocent people.
I know that you, as a fan of child murder, are not likely to become a morally upstanding person any time soon, so I won't bother you too much with that. Instead, I'd happily settle for your recognition that US involvement in Middle East conflicts rarely ends up benefitting the populace of the area in question and in fact usually makes things worse.
another beheaded baby today...
