Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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"And Netanyahu aimed a message at Trump’s MAGA critics. “Today, it’s Tel Aviv. Tomorrow, it’s New York. Look, I understand ‘America First.’ I don’t understand ‘America Dead’. That’s what these people want,” Netanyahu told ABC."
Love it, cheap manipulation tactics going on right now. Wondering if only that will be enough or if "something bigger will have to happen".
I used to converse with you in good faith, but I learned better.
Keep telling your self you are anti israel and not antisemitic, you almost convinced Jal
I dont tell myself that bc I dont care about it. antisemitism was once the worst thing a person could be accused of. now, its used as cover for a genocide. now its a meaningless term that the ADL applies to people wearing a Keffiyeh or a Watermelon or Palestinian flag.
and furthermore, Jews are not discriminated against in the West. nobody loses job or educational opportunities for being Jewish. Jews are not profiled by police and sentenced to harsher sentences.
First off, Israel isn't the one that decided to concentrate the people generationally in the West Bank and Gaza. The rest of the world did that. The world has had 80 years to relocate the Palestinian people, as they have done with countless other refugee populations with similar back stories, and elected not to. Second, This happened in 1948. There have been countless simil
Did you miss the post where I said I'm an isolationist libertarian? Do you think that the US sending Israel billions a year (of money it doesn't actually have) might go against such principles?
Given how many people Israel has enraged in Middle East, no amount of money can solve the problem. Have you read my rants about the unsustainability in the treasury market? This is adding to the deluge to chase a pipe dream, all while lowering the US's standing in the world. Can you see why a libertarian might oppose that?
While we all turn our heads to Iran and miss out on what is still going on and is already old news, we've entered 50x the death count territory of an Oct 7th to the reported deaths in Gaza. Still an incredible amount of civilian deaths, even if you take the up the argument that Hamas (whom I wouldn't blame for fighting Israel in the first place) is an army filled with women an
You understand the "local health officials" providing all this information are Hamas right? We have zero clue what actually happened or how much of any of this is true.
Did you miss the post where I said I'm an isolationist libertarian? Do you think that the US sending Israel billions a year (of money it doesn't actually have) might go against such principles? Given how many people Israel has enraged in Middle East, no amount of money can solve the problem. Have you read my rants about the unsustainability in the treasury market? This is addin
The US sends money to Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Iraq too. You live in this bizarre alternate reality that we are propping up Israel artificially against the self sufficient natives.
Israel is MUCH more self sufficient economically than every other nation in the MENA except for the oil rich gulf states, and relies less on US deficit funded handouts. Also, FWIW Israel purchases the majority of arms it receives from US contractors. Only a small portion of it is payed for by the US taxpayer. As a libertarian I assume you think it is ok for Israel to purchase weapons from US contractors on the free market, yet?
I dont tell myself that bc I dont care about it. antisemitism was once the worst thing a person could be accused of. now, its used as cover for a genocide. now its a meaningless term that the ADL applies to people wearing a Keffiyeh or a Watermelon or Palestinian flag.and furthermore, Jews are not discriminated against in the West. nobody loses job or educational opportuniti
Honey, just no.
Just to cheer up Victor and Karl on this dark day, Putin just killed a bunch of civilians in Kiev with a large attack on civilian infrastructure. So you guys can take some solace that things are going better for you there.
The irony of course is that elites, and their media conduits, actually do determine what you do and dont care about. Which is exactly why you care so much about the Israel situation and are so indifferent to what is going on in Africa. Because elites want this to be the case.
We ARE funding (including shipping over highly powerful weaponry) a genocide in Gaza. We are NOT funding genocide in Africa*.
Let me know if these blindingly obvious facts are a sufficient explanation for your mystery or if you want to continue to go on and on about "elites" and how everybody on the planet hates those darn Jews some more and whatever other rotten clash-of-civilizations bullshit you are pathologically obsessed with.
*at least, to 1/100th the degree that we are in Gaza
Just to cheer up Victor and Karl on this dark day, Putin just killed a bunch of civilians in Kiev with a large attack on civilian infrastructure. So you guys can take some solace that things are going better for you there.
Israel bombed an aid truck
Just to cheer up Victor and Karl on this dark day, Putin just killed a bunch of civilians in Kiev with a large attack on civilian infrastructure. So you guys can take some solace that things are going better for you there.
I hate Putin and think his invasion was a horrendous war crime.
Once again, you have no idea who your enemies are. You know you hate them, but that's about as far as your recognition goes.
Another Tuesday, another flour massacre. This time 51 mowed down while waiting for food.
Remarkable how many data points the genociders here have to ignore to claim the high ground.
“I was sitting with a group of young men at around 8.30am when suddenly a shell landed right in the middle of us. I don’t know how I survived without any injuries. As I was running away, another shell hit another group of people. Then a missile was fired, followed by random gunfire,” he said.
The US sends money to Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Iraq too. You live in this bizarre alternate reality that we are propping up Israel artificially against the self sufficient natives. Israel is MUCH more self sufficient economically than every other nation in the MENA except for the oil rich gulf states, and relies less on US deficit funded handouts. A
Defense contractors don't operate on a free market. Money is coercively transferred from the public to such companies, and then the weapons are sold to whoever politicians approve of (or simply given to Israel). That's a long way from "free."
Aside from Gaza/West Bank (due to the blockade), I'm against money going to all the countries you listed, but the difference is that a) it's orders of magnitude less and b) it's not going to be used in a way that will sow even more chaos and lead to even more debt.
At this point the simple fact is that Israel has to fight a very expensive multi-front war for eternity, so why not invite everyone to the least antisemitic country in the world, the US, and save ourselves a massive headache in the future? Is fulfilling the Bible's prophecy that important in the 21st century?
Another Tuesday, another flour massacre. This time 51 mowed down while waiting for food.
Plus 200 injured, or so it's reported. Firing tank shells and drone missiles at crowds waiting to collect food aid is... bewildering. Not altogether surprising from the IDF, just... bewildering.
Enticing a starving population with food and supplies and then massacring them is not bewildering. It is a very common tactic of genocidal Western colonizers. It's what our society is built on.
I think it is just a matter of time now that Israel will get the Supreme Leader and it will make for one of the greatest failures that we have seen from any axis of evil in the last 200 years to not see this coming with Israel and Trump but particularly Trump trying to assassinate him and he was nearly assassinated to not think he wouldn't punish them for that.
And that should be it for Victor, Jal, Chez and the like who can focus on Russia next in their constant struggle with the west to make in-roads there knowing that Putin has a pretty good relationship with Trump and the chances of that continuing are much better.
Once Israel does take out the Supreme Leader we all need to shift our focus on stopping Russia and hopefully there are Republicans getting in the ear of Trump that war needs to end.
I think it is just a matter of time now that Israel will get the Supreme Leader and it will make for one of the greatest failures that we have seen from any axis of evil in the last 200 years to not see this coming with Israel and Trump but particularly Trump trying to assassinate him and he was nearly assassinated to not think he wouldn't punish them for that. And that should
Not me. I've always thought netanayahu would talke on Iran and 'we got him' was always likely
This is still just the beginning and very much the easy bit.
I think it is just a matter of time now that Israel will get the Supreme Leader and it will make for one of the greatest failures that we have seen from any axis of evil in the last 200 years to not see this coming with Israel and Trump but particularly Trump trying to assassinate him and he was nearly assassinated to not think he wouldn't punish them for that. And that should
pure ignorance.
I think it is just a matter of time now that Israel will get the Supreme Leader and it will make for one of the greatest failures that we have seen from any axis of evil in the last 200 years to not see this coming with Israel and Trump but particularly Trump trying to assassinate him and he was nearly assassinated to not think he wouldn't punish them for that. And that should
I hope you are right, but I suspect Shiite Islamists in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen etc. will be creating trouble on the world stage for years to come, even if the regime falls.
But yeah, Trump made this tweet after ordering the assassination of Iran's military leader in Iraq. And the IRGC has spent the next 7 year (like the ~40 before) promising to destroy the US, and attacking them indirectly through proxies.
So why the MAGA right thought Trump was going to ally with Iran to destroy Israel, I really dont get.
And clearly this is not some agenda against Islam or the ME, as Trump just did a goodwill tour through every Sunni nation, telling everyone how great they are and making billions upon billions of dollars of business deals.
Clearly this is something specific about the IRGC and their proxies and how they operate, that Trump finds completely unacceptable. And this is one of the few instances I am inclined to agree with him on.
Plus 200 injured, or so it's reported. Firing tank shells and drone missiles at crowds waiting to collect food aid is... bewildering. Not altogether surprising from the IDF, just... bewildering.
Is there any video evidence of this at all? Remember, we are talking about densely populated areas where EVERYONE has a cell phone camera. You aren't skeptical at all that every day we are getting reports of Israel firing on Palestinians waiting in food lines and there is NEVER any video or audio evidence to cooberate it?
Every other person in Gaza is a "journalist." They all have cameras, at least cell phone cameras if not better. Are we supposed to believe none of these thousands upon thousands of "journalists" are observing the food lines so they can capture the IDF attacking Palestinians in food lines?
Do you really think Israel troops could be firing on food lines for days on end, and there would never be any video evidence at all?
Of course not.
Long interesting interview with Ehud Olmert (the Israeli PM who claimed to have offered a Palestinian state but didn't).
A couple excerpts:
it’s very hard for the Israelis to overcome, in generations, the obsession of being the victims of hatred. We so much fell in love with the status of being the underdog, the victim of hatred, of antisemitism, of discrimination, of segregation, of whatever — that we fall into this in every possible occasion that we have.
I don’t think that one needs to be an antisemite in order to be utterly devastated by watching the daily clips on the international media showing the mushrooms of smoke and fire that are rising to the sky when the buildings in Gaza are destroyed by Israeli planes. To say that you can’t be devastated unless you are also an antisemite is childish, is simplistic and is not true.
Is there any video evidence of this at all? Remember, we are talking about densely populated areas where EVERYONE has a cell phone camera. You aren't skeptical at all that every day we are getting reports of Israel firing on Palestinians waiting in food lines and there is NEVER any video or audio evidence to cooberate it? Every other person in Gaza is a "journalist." They a
theres video evidence every single day. you live under a rock. hell I posted video from this very attack.
