Israel/Palestine thread

I mean, you hear Hamas is executing or maiming civilians in the streets of Gaza, and then you see the amateur phone videos of them doing this. I have probably personally seen 50 such videos on social media.

But then you hear all these stories of the IDF attacking food lines, and there is never any cell phone videos. Nothing. Just "eye witness reports" from "health officials" (which is a euphemism for Hamas propaganda)

Every video you show shows absolutely nothing. You mean to tell me you showed a video that actually shows an IDF soldier or tank firing into a food line? I will hold my breathe.

yes theres plenty of those. and the rest are of the aftermath. maybe they all died from a Hamas rocket.

Iran official warns of imminent 'punitive operation', tells Tel Aviv and Jaffa residents to evacuate

"The operations carried out were merely a warning"!

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/re...

Maybe both leaders will hide out in Turkey and set up a gaming station there to fire their rockets at each other's civilians for the most idiotic reasons in recent human history.

They are all nuts in that region. Israel is significantly less nutty but they are nutty.

This isnt a simplisitic topic but israel can and has acted extraordinarily nutty. Wake me up when Iran kills 50k Israelis?

Iran can do real damage on israel if they decide to open up the flood gates. It would be suicide but so far that strat has been par for the course.

No there aren't. It is all "aftermath" and "eyewitness reports" from "health officials"

There is no way Israel tanks and drones could take pot shots at a food lines causing mass murder day after day and never be any video evidence. Not a single incident caught on tape from any of the 10,000 so called "journalists". It is completely absurd.

The IRGC leadership have spent the last 45 years chanting "Death to Israel, Death to the USA," promising to destroy Israel while pointing thousands of ballistic missiles at them, while arming to the death fellow religious nutcase proxies across the region, causing massive destabilization. And numerous attacks on Israel and to a lesser extent US forces in the region.

They are completely nutty and destructive, and have involved in millions upon millions of deaths, displacements, famines and genocides.

You should wake up and learn some history about what the IRGC has been up to the last 45 years.

It is kind of funny. Everyone acknowledges that if the pre 10/7 status quo had held without Israel doing anything the Axis of Resistance would eventually grind them down and suffocate them. A war of attrition they were destined to lose. And yet when Israel decides to change the dynamic so this doesn't happen, everyone gets outraged.

I get it that you dont care if Israel survives or not, which is fine. But you have to accept that Israeli leaders do care, so they may take drastic actions to shift the odds of Israel's survival from an assured 0% to a higher number (At least in their estimation. Maybe their estimations are wrong and this will all backfire. None of us are clairvoyant and know for sure the future).

That's a very silly strawman.

Ironically it's Netanyahu's policy that you're attacking. I don't any of us you're addressing here we're ever supporting it.

Are we just going to gloss over Iran’s participation in the Syrian civil war, including providing surveillance support to monitor internet activities?

They also actively arm terrorist groups all over the region.

And their initial participation in the Syrian civil war was purely for strategic interests, not because there was a terrorist attack against their country. Obviously after the rise of ISIS they had good justification for at least fighting against them, but initially they were just attempting to support Assad’s killing of his own populace so that he could maintain his control over his people because Iran and Russia liked him.

Isn't the Supreme Leader not well - maybe that is a sign he needs to give the game away. He is not of sound mind (irrespective of this guy's age which is ridiculous by the way).

At this point in time this reference to a bunker bomb and Israel's request for it is the last chance that Trump is basically saying to Iran to surrender and come back to the negotiation table to disarm your nuclear program. If the Supreme Leader can't see that to prevent US involvement that is on them.

Core MAGA, defined as the non-interventionist right, is heavily minoritarian among people who voted for Trump in 2024 (poll source in the twitter thread)

https://x.com/MarcACaputo/status/1934767...

By big margins, Trump 2024 voters:

✅support Israel’s military actions in Iran & Gaza

✅believe Iran is a threat to US security

✅are concerned Iran is making nukes

✅support backing Israel with weapons & intelligence

I saw the Iranian ambassador in the British Parliament and was struck by the similarity to Vic's claims here.

Vic, is there anything you want to tell us?

Also, Kudos to Iran for shooting down a drone.

this is the state of humanity (well a part of it)

Crossed wires?

that deosn't seem to be response to me or the post you quoted

They can't supply the bunker bomb to Israel because it's 20ft long and weighs 13 tons and there isn't an Israeli plane to carry it. If it is used, US B-2s will have to deliver it. Although Trump would like to see the back of the Iranian nuclear programme, and the regime, he seems wary of getting directly involved.

Yeah man, not everyone has a transactional value system.

They're still sacrificing the election in 2028 by doing this. Everyone who wanted non-intervention voted for Trump and have been completely betrayed. That + not running against a nut low candidate (Dems will probably screw this up) + a late-70s economic situation with no ability to Volkher their way out of it = the death knell for MAGA.

This is kind of surprising, as if Trump had simply kept Israel on a leash, I don't think his neo-con voters would relinquish support for his MAGA successor. Maybe he doesn't care about the future of the movement, but given what we've seen from Israeli intelligence, I would not be surprised at all if they have some serious blackmail on him.

Or maybe Trump has a vision for the region, and the IRGC is a major impediment to this. And he personally is on board with Israel's actions? Maybe Israel isn't on a leash at all, because Netanyahu and Trump are aligned here.

How familiar are you with:

a). How much the IRGC has been destabilizing the region over the last 45 years, including playing a big part in destroying numerous nations by supporting non state militias (Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, Syria)?

b). Trumps own position on the IRGC and their destabilization efforts.

--It sounds like you are just a simpleton Israeli hater, and have shown very little understanding or depth beyond "Israel bad," and a reflexive urge to blame everything on them. And hold no one else accountable for anything, or assign them any agency at all.

I looked it up and didnt see anything remotely interesting about the ambassador. can you link something?

also, any thoughts on the reports and videos of Israeli Jews denying Thai workers entry to shelters? and denying Muslims entry? and just today a video came out of people upset that they were sharing a shelter with black people?

and we never got your thoughts on the poll that showed over half (57% iirc) of Israeli Jews want to expel all of the Palestinian Israeli citizens from Israel itself? the reason I ask is bc you repeatedly told us that there was no discrimination and you lived in peace alongside them. it sure doesnt look like that.

No reason to pretend Trump has coherent thoughts on any of this. He would be blasting Biden or Harris on social media if one of them did exactly what he’s done.

He was questioned by MPs on the Foreign Affairs Select Committee and he said the current bombing war was Israel's fault, which is true insofar as Israel started it. He said that, far from being a destabilising influence, Iran was an inspiration to the whole region and that the nuclear programme was not a problem and other Iranian ambassadors in Europe had given assurances to their host governments. Generally there was some back-and-forth and MPs were not altogether buying his line.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/uk/2025/06/17/irans-ambassador-to-uk-confronted-in-parliament-over-price-of-peace/

The National

Iran's ambassador to UK confronted in parliament over 'price of peace' | The National

Last month the ambassador was summoned to the Foreign Office to explain himself after three Iranians were charged with spying in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/summoning-of-the-iranian-ambassador-to-the-united-kingdom-fcdo-statement

GOV.UK

Summoning of the Iranian Ambassador to the United Kingdom: FCDO statement

Generally we haven't got on with them since they announced their intention to murder the British novelist Salman Rushdie for completely mad theocratic reasons. An Iranian hit team was arrested in London and deported not long after. And as far as I recall they never expressed the slightest gratitude for the rescue of their embassy staff by the SAS in the 1980 terrorist siege.

thanks, thats what I found too. seems self evident that this is all Israel's fault and this is clearly a regime change effort. its the WMD thing all over again.