Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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I do appreciate the irony that a couple weeks ago Islamists in Syria intentionally blew up a congregation killing something like 25 people and injuring much more; which is consistent with what has been going on in the MENA for decades. And Candace has nothing to say about any of this.But then Israel shrapnel damages the corner of a church, Israel says it was an accident and im
Another person who cannot provide any evidence of antisemitism from Owens. Of course she opposes the likes of Al-Qaeda.
You’re just making that antisemitism thing up. Keep it up that type of rhetoric is responsible for the fact that no longer do most American support Israel. Horrible leadership by the Israeli government at this point. They even have an ex Prime Minister who has accused Netanyahu of being a war criminal… you gonna talk about that. Doesn’t fit with your narrative though eh.
Btw Netanyahu and his cronies get support from US taxpayer dollars Al-Qaeda doesn’t.
Who brought up the Gaza church attack itt…No one recently. Of course that is an issue when you have a government administration in Israel that says it cares about different religions. Btw the Israeli attack on the church in Gaza killed three people and wounded 10 others. You didn’t mention that though did you.
Irony huh how about the 50,000 dead Palestinians most civilians and that is the low estimate.
Are you gonna respond to the millions of Jews, who are critical of Netanyahu. Or that doesn’t fit in line with the kind of propaganda you’re spreading???
As far as owens, I mean she literally has a video called “Literally Hitler, Why Can’t We Talk About Him?” LMAO
Owens’ comments, which downplayed the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany, have drawn swift and widespread condemnation from a variety of public figures and organizations.
In the video, titled ‘Literally Hitler. Why Can’t We Talk About Him?’, Owens questioned the taboo that surrounds discussions of Hitler and Nazi Germany, and suggested that education about this period amounts to “indoctrination” akin to “Soviet tactics.” She further claimed that the portrayal of Hitler as the “greatest evil” is not factually or statistically accurate.
Owens said, “Some of the stories, by the way, sound completely absurd… They just cut a human up and sewed them back together? Why would you do that?… Literally, even if you’re the most evil person in the world, that’s a tremendous waste of time and supplies.” She also cast doubt on the well-documented medical experiments conducted by the notorious Nazi doctor Josef Mengele, and dismissed them as mere “bizarre propaganda.”
Come on bro
yellow is carlson, non-yellow is davishe pretty much endorsed davis’s account of the reasons for the holocaustdid you know that the nazis would line up entire communities and massacre them into mass graves of thousands of people?this is not “oh we have too many pows, have to do something with them” this was deliberate extermination.and also davi
This is gotcha type stuff. It won’t cut it. There is nothing to show Carlson trying to revise or deny the holocaust.
Personally, I don’t agree with all of Carlson‘s views. I am showing this thread that there is now a growing number of conservatives in America who oppose Netanyahu. This has changed the game. And it’s in part why now a majority of Americans have an unfavorable view of Israel when just a year before The Israel invasion of Gaza it was the other way around.
Criticism of Winston Churchill is not akin to holocaust revisionism.
Hamas according to Ron Paul for example was funded by Israel as a bulwark against Arab secular nationalism. Some say Israel officials turned a blind eye to the rise of Hamas.
Anyway Hamas exerts no real military power. Israel can and does do whatever it wants to Gaza. Not even the Muslim majority countries step in and do something about it. Where are the tanks on the ground in Tel Aviv. Where is an Air Force striking Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?? Doesn’t exist. You see the people of Gaza have absolutely no legitimate military to defend against Israel. Whereas for example, Ukraine not only has a legitimate military to defend against Russia, but gets taxpayer US dollars and sophisticated military equipment.. Just blatant differences, huge massive differences.
Another person who cannot provide any evidence of antisemitism from Owens. Of course she opposes the likes of Al-Qaeda.Netanyahu at his cronies get support from US taxpayer dollars Al-Qaeda doesn’t.You’re just making that up. Keep it up that type of rhetoric is responsible for the fact that no longer do most American support Israel. Horrible leadership by the Israeli government
You’re the one that brought up three proud holocaust revisionists. That’s why we’re talking about them. Just worried about you bringing them up as support of your position.
But you seem like a guy that I generally agree with as far as Netanyahu being a bad leader and Israel deserving a right to exist, which makes you anathema to many of the most outspoken “anti-zionists”
This is gotcha type stuff. It won’t cut it. There is nothing to show Carlson trying to revise or deny the holocaust.Criticism of Winston Churchill is not akin to holocaust revisionism.Hamas according to Ron Paul for example was funded by Israel as a bulwark against Arab secular nationalism. Sum Israel officials turned a blind eye to the rise of Hamas. Anyway Hamas exerts no rea
He endorsed the view that Hitler killed Jews because Hitler had no choice. Too many PoWs. That is just false, and it’s holocaust revisionism. He also cloaks this behind “just asking questions” and uses the same tired neo-nazi reframe of “oh it’s illegal to even talk about it”.
As far as owens, I mean she literally has a video called “Literally Hitler, Why Can’t We Talk About Him?” LMAO
Come on bro
No man. This is just not how the real world works. Speaking the truth that most of the Nazis were Christians doesn’t make somebody anti-Christian. Jews were over represented in the Bolshevik movement saying that doesn’t make somebody anti-Jewish.
See someone who is anti-Jewish would not associate with Jews. Candace Owens consistently brings Jews on her podcast like Dave Smith or Norman Finkelstein
He endorsed the view that Hitler killed Jews because Hitler had no choice. Too many PoWs. That is just false, and it’s holocaust revisionism. He also cloaks this behind “just asking questions” and uses the same tired neo-nazi reframe of “oh it’s illegal to even talk about it”.
Firstly, I think you’re mixing up Victor Hansen with Daryl Cooper. Seems like you’re talking about Darrell Cooper and Dave Smith agreeing with some of what he has to say. But still what you’re saying is not good enough.
Dave Smith is Jewish and although some of what he might be saying may be construed as controversial it is simply not holocaust revision. Show him saying that 6 million Jews did not die in the holocaust. Can’t because it doesn’t exist.
This is not a good way to prop up support of Netanyahu or Israel’s war in Gaza. If you’re looking for gotcha moments or trying to call people antisemitic based on perceived holocaust revisionism.
Anyway bigger picture are the millions of Jews in America and Israel, who have criticized Netanyahu before and after October 7. And the fact that an ex Prime Minister of Israel has called Netanyahu a war criminal.
No man. This is just not how the real world works. Speaking the truth that most of the Nazis were Christians doesn’t make somebody anti-Christian. Jews were over represented in the Bolshevik movement saying that doesn’t make somebody anti-Jewish.See someone who is anti-Jewish would not associate with Jews. Candace Owens consistently brings Jews on her podcast like Dave Smith or
lol
Dave Smith is just your typical right wing "Anti-zionist." Whatever.
I would say Cooper and Owens (at least this current manifestation of her) are definitely antisemites. They take every opportunity possible to single out Jews to criticize them, in every context imaginable. And there is no balance at all. It is just pure 1-sided Jew hate.
I follow both of them on Twitter, and even catch the occasional Cooper podcast. At some point "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck."
I am not even sure if this version of Owens would bring on a guest like Finklestein, or if he would even want to go on. Like I said, she has really increased her power level since coming back from maternity. She just had on Nick Fuentes, to give an idea how much her Overton window has shifted.
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Discussions in the Israeli Knesset (Congress)
1.2M Israelis to move into Gaza which will have its native population forcibly expelled.
Dave Smith is just your typical right wing "Anti-zionist." Whatever.I would say Cooper and Owens (at least this current manifestation of her) are definitely antisemites. They take every opportunity possible to single out Jews to criticize them, in every context imaginable. And there is no balance at all. It is just pure 1-sided Jew hate. I follow both of them on Twitter, a
Owens in fact disagreed with Fuentes on a number of things. So what she interviewed the man. Dan Rather once interviewed Saddam Hussein. What point are you trying to make. Look man your rhetoric is exactly why most Americans don’t like Israel right now. Just keep on making stuff up.
This is precisely the tactics of Netanyahu. Whine and complain about what podcasters are saying, accuse critics of antisemitism…. Meanwhile you have 50,000 minimum deaths of Palestinians mostly civilians. Israeli settlers attacking random Palestinians ….Complete and utter insanity …devoid of any logic whatsoever. Amazing how the pro Israel no matter what crowd continue to fool a percentage of Americans. Mostly older Mark Levin/Sean Hannity type fans…. Thankfully the tide is turning
And yet they still hold hostages from a rave. Shout out to the Gazans for keeping it real, even if it has all gone very, very wrong.
More than 100 aid agencies warn that "mass starvation" is spreading across Gaza, accusing Israel of not allowing food inside the Strip to be distributed
And yet they still hold hostages from a rave. Shout out to the Gazans for keeping it real, even if it has all gone very, very wrong.
Grateful to see that dozens of starving children hasn't diminished your capacity to be flip and irreverent.
In other news, Hamas just refused the latest ceasefire proposal that literally everyone else in the world including their handlers in Qatar told them to accept, that would end all of this.
At some point it would be nice if the group that started all of this, has been holding hostages for almost 2 years, and has refused every ceasefire proposal would get some of the criticism.
Even if you think the terms being offered aren't fair to Hamas, it would seem Hamas should accept them anyways for the sake of the Palestinian people. To end this war they started and have been decisively losing for the last 1.5 years. And yet they wont, and all the moral outrage crew, is indifferent.
This really is an exercise in bad faith all the way around.
When you see pictures from Gaza the people often look well fed to say the least.
Interesting that you never see famished fighting age males.
Resistance by any means, don’t forget what that means. Til the last Gazan, as long as Jews are also dying.
Of course it’s not the case. Winston Churchill lost the 1945 election. So all those voters his fellow country men are mostly holocaust revisionists??
Criticizing any president of the United States or a Prime Minister of the United Kingdom does not conflate with hatred of the countries population. I mean that’s common sense.
It is quite interesting. In this conversation how you have some people who rightfully would criticize Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But they’re not saying the same thing about Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which was of course built on their own pretense of October 7. Of course the conflict goes way back before October 7. It didn’t start on October 7 and anyway you have the Hannibal directive you have Israeli soldiers who say The government allowed October 7 to occur for political reasons. Even if somebody does not accept that, they have to accept the undeniable fact that the Israeli border is the most monitored area of the world. And then oct 7 happens….huh
But yes at least the people of Ukraine have sophisticated military weaponry, including tanks, military jets to defend themselves with. That is not at all the case in Gaza, where it is a total bloodbath. This isn’t a war. It is indeed a bloodbath.
You have extremist in Israel, racial supremacists who have convinced themselves some of them even knowingly lied to themselves that they are fighting a just war. It’s usually the tired old lie “they want to take out all Jews here” ….. wait a minute what about the supporters of Israel’s war who say “hey we have Arabs and Muslims in our government everyone’s equal here.” Ahh but they claim all the Muslims wanna take out the Jews. So which one is it.???
Total insanity. Probably the case that most of the world’s Jews including in America and many in Israel disagree with the Netanyahu administration. Some of the most fierce criticism of what Netanyahu is doing is coming from Jews.
Amazing though you have an ex Prime Minister of Israel saying Netanyahu is a war criminal. Yet the supremacists in Israel disregard that.
Probably the case that most of the world’s Jews including in America and many in Israel disagree with the Netanyahu administration. Some of the most fierce criticism of what Netanyahu is doing is coming from Jews.
they dont fault Netanyahu for the war and genocide. they support that stuff. look at every poll of Israeli or diaspora Jews. look at nearly every Jewish organization. look at all of the opposition parties in Israel.
It is quite interesting. In this conversation how you have some people who rightfully would criticize Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But they’re not saying the same thing about Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which was of course built on their own pretense of October 7. Of course the conflict goes way back before October 7. It didn’t start on October 7 and any
You didn’t need to write an essay to say October 7th was a bad idea. I think if Hamas had given back the hostages and disarmed one and a half years ago much of the bloodshed would have been avoided. You’re free to disagree.
To be fair, Hamas probably thought they had a lot more backing than they actually did. Apparently they thought Hezbollah was going to rampage through Israel’s north and Iran was going to do something, but neither of those allies followed through on their parts.
Knesset votes 71-13 for non-binding motion calling to annex West Bank
Symbolic resolution calls West Bank 'inseparable part of the Land of Israel'; critics say it reflects misplaced priorities as PA calls it 'dangerous escalation'
https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-vo...
What is even the point of this? It’s just gross.
