Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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You are on the right in which sense? you are obsessed by foreign policy and never talk about real life, domestic issues that touch actual lives daily. That's only common on the left.
Are you ok with the mass deportation of illegal immigrants from the USA? with deregulations and tax cuts? with reducing healthcare to the poors?
It depends how you define "the right" and "conservative." To me, libertarianism is what we should be conserving (which places me a long way from big government fascist strains), as that is the most principled ideology, and, if respected, would prevent the disastrous foreign policy adventures like the ones listed in my previous post.
Obviously that will put me in favor of tax cuts (the system is already a runaway train, so might as well put pressure on the bond market and incentivize a return to sound money).
Deregulation and immigration are very complicated, as there are a lot of policies that created the messes we see today (regulatory capture leading to perverse incentive structures for the former, and for latter, closing the gold window in 1971 and being able to print the world reserve currency, thereby incentivizing people around the world, not to mention in the US, to get closer to the federal spigot). The first step to alleviating the immigration problem would be lifting sanctions on Venezuela, as that is a row of dominoes that leads directly to the US border. Forced deportations are too grossly fascist, so I would be against them.
Massive cuts need to be made to healthcare in my view, not to get the US on a more sustainable fiscal trajectory (that's impossible), but to eliminate the idea from people's heads that you can do whatever you want heath-wise and the medical system will save you.
Take what you will from this, but the only thing Victor and I are probably agreeing on is being against forced deportations.
You’re hyper focused on Israel and don’t realize that these right leaning youngsters don’t give a **** about Palestine. Their negative views on Israel aren’t contrasted by highly positive views on the Gazans. There’s no indication that Netanyahu is leading Israel to becoming a pariah state. As mentioned many times, Israel is doing more business than ever while the Palestinia
The Palestinians have plenty of rich Arab states who are willing to send them cash, the main thing they need is for Israel to lose access to the American arms industry and diplomatic support. Like it or not, relative to where we were when the boomers were young, 50% of young Republicans having a negative view of Israel is a big step in that direction.
The consequence of creating Victors is losing public support, which, in ostensible democracies, usually leads to policy changes. Victors don't start by posting in threads. They start by being disgusted by something, and not voting for candidates affiliated with that something. That's exactly the trend we've been seeing.
you are operating under the delusion that voting matters and that you can vote away genocide for profit and fascism. AOC and Mamdani support Israel btw.
Amidst an unprecedented row between Bibi Netanyahu and the IDF chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir, the latter has publicly disavowed the security cabinet’s directive to invade and permanently occupy Gaza. No Israeli top commander has ever engaged in such dissent in the face of an order from the political echelon. Zamir has taken this extraordinary step because, as he says, all possible military objectives have been achieved. An invasion and occupation will not further any of those goals.
This was confirmed by the letter endorsed by 600 former senior military commanders and intelligence officers to Pres. Trump, asking him to stop further carnage and demand an end to the war.
The Palestinians have plenty of rich Arab states who are willing to send them cash, the main thing they need is for Israel to lose access to the American arms industry and diplomatic support. Like it or not, relative to where we were when the boomers were young, 50% of young Republicans having a negative view of Israel is a big step in that direction. The consequence of creatin
Actually this isn't true at all. All the rich Arab states are aligned with Trump, and making it conditional that Palestinian society deradicalizes and demilitarizes before more investment comes in. Western nations are still sending in aid unconditionally, that is all being siphoned off to Hamas. But real investment and rebuilding is conditional on deradicalization.
Same thing for Lebanon, who is being offered a lot of investment IF they can figure out a way to disarm Hezbollah and make peace with Israel.
that is all being siphoned off to Hamas
Hamas stealing aid meant for [strike]2.5[/strike] [strike]2[/strike] [strike]1.5[/strike] 1 million people is quite a feat tbh
Actually this isn't true at all. All the rich Arab states are aligned with Trump, and making it conditional that Palestinian society deradicalizes and demilitarizes before more investment comes in. Western nations are still sending in aid unconditionally, that is all being siphoned off to Hamas. But real investment and rebuilding is conditional on deradicalization. Same thi
Qatar isn't
There’s also been a renewed interest in finding out what was truly behind 911. It’s being driven in large part by young conservatives, young Christians, who want to get to the bottom of that. And again people can criticize that and say oh that’s just a crazy conspiracy Hole to go down. Totally fine to criticize that. The bottom line is there is a new young gen
Really can’t be assed to read all these low effort essays but it sounds like you might just be associating with morons. Good luck getting to the bottom of 911. I’ll give you a hint, it was probably the Jews.
So there’s 911 conspiracy morons who are questioning the act of vilifying Islam, but they are also from the side with more anti-Muslim and anti-Arab racism. Which is it? I think the AI has you mixed up bud.
The Palestinians have plenty of rich Arab states who are willing to send them cash, the main thing they need is for Israel to lose access to the American arms industry and diplomatic support. Like it or not, relative to where we were when the boomers were young, 50% of young Republicans having a negative view of Israel is a big step in that direction. The consequence of creatin
The Arab states don’t seem to like the Palestinians much either tbh and the new wave of anti-Israel republicans will have a similar level of dislike for them as they do for Jews and Israelis. If the Palestinians had any true allies they would have improved their situation generations ago.
The consequence of creating Victors is much worse for the US than Israel. The US has already gotten to a scary point where the gen pop is so dumb and influenced by foreign powers and manipulation on social media that they really can’t be trusted to vote responsibly. Evidenced by groups like Arabs for Trump and Jill Stein voters.
Qatar doesn’t send any money to hezbollah. They support their opponents in Syria.
They still support Hamas and other terrorists, but are signaling even they aren’t in a rush to be dumping more money into gaza and West Bank, just to have it all destroyed again in response to the next infintada or major attack.
He cited these 3 peopleTucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Glenn Greenwald and many more2 of them are among the most antisemites living commentators around (carlson and owens). I agree that Greenwald instead is the rare example of an anti-israel person who isn't necessarily an antisemite. But in order to do that you have to be vehemently anti-hamas (and all forms of radical islamic
No, they are not. Neither Tucker or Candace are racist. You’re simply making that up. Going by gotcha moments and taking things out of context. That kind of ideology is a danger….And yet here we see some pro Israel people engaging in the same far left-wing BLM cancel culture tactics that cost Democrats the 2024 election.
It’s also quite pathetic to simply decry somebody as racist without actually refuting what they say. Pure garbage tactic.
Nobody buys it. The audience of Candace and Tucker is incredibly diverse. In order to prove racism you need to actually show the person saying this group of people is inferior multiple times. Show it …well you can’t bc it does not exist .
Both Tucker and Candace work with and often bring on guests or go on platforms of people from all different races and religions. They are by common sense and logic not racist.
Someone being anti-Israel and often being antisemitic it is nonsense. It’s like saying somebody who is anti-Saudi Arabia is anti-Muslim.
The Arab states don’t seem to like the Palestinians much either tbh and the new wave of anti-Israel republicans will have a similar level of dislike for them as they do for Jews and Israelis. If the Palestinians had any true allies they would have improved their situation generations ago.The consequence of creating Victors is much worse for the US than Israel. The US has alre
the consequence is not voting for Democrats. amazing political analysis here.
I’m making “hit and run” comments yet the Knight is the one coming in hot with the conspiracy theory takes with, no surprise, basically 0 sources. These people don’t live in our reality.
You are Ignoring the sources that I’m posting, and continuing to indirectly respond to me without quoting me. I’ve quoted probably 10 different reputable sources so far and you say nothing about it. You won’t respond to any paragraphs or sources from reputable outlets but instead only respond to one point of many that numerous posters make even when you do that you just lie or take their post out of context.
Like this post when I quoted the Washington Post and a piece about sn Israeli soldier
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
You responded with no context to that. Basically just another indirect garbage response from you. But none of your insults matters, as the civilized world is turning against the Israeli government.
You are Ignoring the sources that I’m posting, and continuing to indirectly respond to me without quoting me. I’ve quoted probably 10 different reputable sources so far and you say nothing about it. You won’t respond to any paragraphs or sources from reputable outlets but instead only respond to one point of many that numerous posters make even when you do th
You posted one YouTube video from The Young Turks. Stop responding to me you bot.
The thread is 2000 pages long and you’re not saying anything new so I don’t see why anyone needs to respond to you. Go read the thread all your dumb points have been addressed and debunked. Bye.
You still defending this person Jalfrezi? This tweet was in response to an Israeli bomb inadvertendly hitting a church, which they apologized for. What is real sick and ironic about this person's worldview is that in the last couple months Islamists in Syria and Congo committed mass terrorist attacks targeting Church congregations in service, killing and maiming a lot of (Christian) people. And Candace couldn't give a single ****.
(49 congregants killed in Islamist machete attack in Congo)
WFIW FM / WFIW AM / WOKZ-FM
(Suicide bomber kills 22 during church service in Syria)
She cares nothing for brown (or black or white) Christians. This is all about her hate for (((Zionists))).
In order to prove racism you need to actually show the person saying this group of people is inferior multiple times.
Racism does not always take that form. You may be stereotyping based on historic white American racism against black Americans ('Don't y'all know they's got smaller brains?'). Antisemitism tends to portray Jews as too clever by half and given to underhand conspiracies, manipulating non-Jews like puppets to achieve some sort of evil end.
This tweet was in response to an Israeli bomb inadvertendly hitting a church, which they apologized for.
just a little oopsy that murdered 3 people. theres even footage of the old lady suffering for hours as she takes her last breaths.
You still defending this person Jalfrezi? This tweet was in response to an Israeli bomb inadvertendly hitting a church, which they apologized for.
Per the IDF, it wasn't an air-dropped bomb, it was fragments of a ground-fired shell.
The inadvertency is debatable, the apology is the usual crocodile tears and the promised 'investigation' will either not materialise at all or come to no meaningful conclusion. The Israelis are at least as committed to fanatical ethnic violence as Hamas are, and the IDF is merely an over-armed and US-sponsored ethnic militia.
jfc you sound exactly like rafiki, gs3737, BLUE, CV and the other rabid Zionists who left this thread when their claims were debunked. Every criticism of Israel is antisemitic to you and them. It doesn't matter if it comes from a poster here, a former political leader in Israel or Hasidic Jews - they are all antisemites according to you.
He cited Fresh and Fit, Candice Owens, Tucker Carlson, all of whom have had pro holocaust denial statements in the last year. You think that holocaust denial is not being a raging Jew hater idk what to tell you. Furthermore, I never said any criticism towards the state of Israel is antisemetic. I’ve criticized Israel plenty in this thread, including saying that I think they need to stop illegal settlements and saying that the recent reports of starvation seemed much more credible.
But yeah, the number one poster in this thread is Victor, and he is currently on a kick or claiming antisemitism doesn’t matter. So probably I will be criticizing that quite a bit.
antisemitism def matters. its a very useful rhetorical tool to justify murdering millions of people considered inferior.
So is your average chud getting their unbiased news from the likes of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson? Scary stuff.
Lmao Victor is insane.
Israel burned alive the most followed journalist in Gaza outside the Shifa hospital. Bombing hospitals and burning journalists are 2 of the most favorite pastimes of the self proclaimed Jewish state.
Remember that opposing burning alive innocent Palestinians is antisemitic.
