Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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and Israel doesnt consider the journalists, civil servants, doctors, diplomats, and their families that they have assassinated to be civilians.
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You are the odd one if you think netnayahu woule never target anyone in jordan
the present reality is that Israel steals land in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria almost every single day. and their leaders and citizens continually call for taking over more and more. you are the one ignoring reality. Jordan is on the agenda and they will get to it if they arent stopped.
Well the Likud party literally has "river to the sea" in their founding charter so maybe they'll stop at the river.
All for showing how evil Israel really is and they are evil but this article isn’t helping that cause.
The logic is that they have identified 8900 killed people as Hamas militants therefore the rest must be civilian? Even Victor would understand that’s now how math works(I hope).
The logic is that they have identified 8900 killed people as Hamas militants therefore the rest must be civilian? Even Victor would understand that’s now how math works(I hope).
Yeah man, the people who aren't militants are civilians, that's kind of what "civilian" means.
I am pretty sure civilians and militants are mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive.
I think Pablito’s point is there are unidentified militants.
I am pretty sure civilians and militants are mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive.
I think Pablito’s point is there are unidentified militants.
Obviously that’s the point. Having the names of 8900 militants who may have been killed doesn’t translate to all the rest being civilians.
This is just lazy journalism.
I am pretty sure civilians and militants are mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive.
I think Pablito’s point is there are unidentified militants.
they aren't in a situation like gaza. A person repairing a vehicle used by hamas, who knows is used by hamas, is a civilian for you? for me he materially helps hamas so he is a fair target for assassination, the same as soldiers out of the front line, who repair military vehicles, would be in war.
Same for people who tend the wounds of hamas personnel, prepare their food and so on.
If you knowingly help any member of hamas in any way to keep fighting (directly or indirectly) you are a fair target.
they aren't in a situation like gaza. A person repairing a vehicle used by hamas, who knows is used by hamas, is a civilian for you? for me he materially helps hamas so he is a fair target for assassination, the same as soldiers out of the front line, who repair military vehicles, would be in war.Same for people who tend the wounds of hamas personnel, prepare their food and so
Aah yes. The people oppressed by Hamas who will be shot if they refuse Hamas should also be shot for not refusing Hamas.
Thank god Italy is mostly irrelevant nowadays. The world would be an even scarier place if Italians had any real form of power.
lol, the 83% includes "probable" militants, still not good enough for the pro-genocide crowd here.
The last globally competitive non-software industry in the US (that is manufactured in country) is weapons, so if you aren't in that industry, you aren't benefiting at all from an income generation perspective.
Two false assertions in one run on.
US has been crushing it for decades in pharmaceuticals and medical tech.
It’s also generally a leader in capital, IP, and service intensive segments. Caterpillar is practically the only game in ton for ultra (think building sized excavators). You basically can’t build a semi conductor plant without American manufactured gear.
Jet engines are pretty much all American now. To the extent Safran and Rolls Royce are remotely competitive it’s because their host countries made GE share IP.
We are also the only game in town for a whole lot of IP protected alloys that are rarer than so called rare earths.
The death of manufacturing is pretty much a myth.
What is true is the death of blue collar (roughly defined as not requiring a lot of education.
It is however to not conflate the two because they have very different solutions.
Any thoughts on this, or is the pro-Israel crowd fine with hypocrisy ad infinitum? It's funny, because I created this account to give a Gen-Z perspective and make the point that at the current rate Israel is guaranteed to get defunded, and got very stiff pushback for it. Now it seems everyone has accepted that there will be no way to continue the "special relationship" a genera
I think the reality is most adults don’t care about Gen Z opinions. Maybe that’s foolish but they haven’t given anyone a reason to trust their judgement.
Gen Z is known as the most susceptible generation to propaganda and misinformation.
the people in charge care about Gen Z opinions more than just about anything else. thats why all the big social media companies are hiring Zionists to run their content moderation.
The people in charge will be long gone with their money and wealth by the time Gen Z gets around to having any influence.
Pompeus has also been bleating on and on about the same point which has had no bearing on reality. It’s been demonstrated multiple times why his logic is faulty and he just keeps repeating himself. Meanwhile Gaza is in ruins while Gen Z rots their brains out and focuses solely on virtue signaling.
I think the reality is most adults don’t care about Gen Z opinions. Maybe that’s foolish but they haven’t given anyone a reason to trust their judgement.
Gen Z is known as the most susceptible generation to propaganda and misinformation.
I think this is exceptionally misguided, and gen Z is the most savvy generation since like ever (for their age ofc). It's the first young generation that can seriously disagree with mainstream narratives without doing that just because of rebellious, young-adult contrariness, but rather because the mainstream narrative actually sucks and they have alternatives, finally.
Mind, the mainstream narrative *always sucked* and the media *always without exception* manipulated the masses. But they can do it less now. So gen Z is safe from centralized manipulation of the narrative.
Sure among the zillions of voices they can hear, a lot are bad faith ones. But that's better than believing the utterly bad faith centralized gvmnt sponsored-and-allowed water carrying for "the system" by partisan media.
Never again the gvmnt will be able to convince the whole population of, well... anything. Never again they will be able to get 90% in favour of X by media manipulation. Organic 90% support for something could happen, but it will require that something to be very real and "touchable" for everyone.
A healthy dose of perma-skepticism and mistrust of everyone who wants to tell you how "things really are" is absolutely ESSENTIAL to avoid collective madness, which is by far the worse societal outcome and the only way you really reach the depth of morals (like concentration camps or the vietnam war or the iraq war lasting years).
Gen z will be fractured, impossible to be pushed as a single entity toward any narrative, and that's the best we can hope for, for any generation
I think this is exceptionally misguided, and gen Z is the most savvy generation since like ever (for their age ofc). It's the first young generation that can seriously disagree with mainstream narratives without doing that just because of rebellious, young-adult contrariness, but rather because the mainstream narrative actually sucks and they have alternatives, finally.Mind, th
I have to disagree along with the experts.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...
I haven’t read this specific article but there are loads of other articles all with the same conclusion.
they wrote the same article about boomers on facebook in 2016. for that they were mad that people didnt vote for Dems bc of a few facebook posts from Moscow. now they are mad that people know Israel is a genocidal rape colony.
I have to disagree along with the experts.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...
I haven’t read this specific article but there are loads of other articles all with the same conclusion.
I think this has more to do with being young than a "generational shift" against what's being purported.
They just tend to be more anti govt and that often settles their position more. It was the young people who correctly called out Vietnam (with much less social media) But it's also the young people who collectively believe that the vaccine has microchip tracking devices or that we didn't land on the moon, or that the earth is flat, but then correctly identify that our actions are negatively impacting the environment.
I'd much rather have people teeter towards the side of skepticism, than some unified lockstep ironclad position - especially if you want to keep the speech.
I think this has more to do with being young than a "generational shift" against what's being purported. They just tend to be more anti govt and that often settles their position more. It was the young people who correctly called out Vietnam (with much less social media) But it's also the young people who collectively believe that the vaccine has microchip tracking devices o
They’ve done studies. I think it’s due to their online upbringing and constant usage of social media iirc.
Victors point is irrelevant because boomers are just the next most gullible generation.
I am really not sure what you’re talking about.
Something like 90% of commercial jets engines are US designs (GE, Pratt or Safran, which traces back to a GE JV they French government insisted on.) the remaining 10% is Rolls Royce, which had benefited from UK sponsorship getting tech transfers in the airbus programs and numerous defense programs involving the UK.
There is no question at all US is the dominant player in the jet engine industry. To even suggest otherwise is ignorance.
Actually, the article says Israel internal records indicate 8900 known Hamas and PIJ militants have been confirmed killed.
Of course Israel has nowhere near a comprehensive list of members of these groups, has assuredly killed plenty of militants whose identities were never confirmed, and there are plenty of militants in other groups such as Lions Den, and plenty of "civilians" who have joined the cause to die as Shaheed fighting the Yahood.
Hamas has even bragged about their enrollment exploding during the war, where very few of these new recruits would be on the list, but they would be the first ones killed on the front lines (new recruits always have the heaviest casualties in war by a significant margin).
All things considered, the fact they have killed 8900 confirmed militants from Hamas and PIJ is fairly impressive, and indicates the real number of militants killed in Gaza is probably significantly higher by orders of magnitude.
