Israel/Palestine thread

Italian citizens would make more sense tbh. We could give them Sicily.

Even a former Israeli PM and other Israeli officials have literally called what Israel is doing in Gaza "genocide."

In before ''they are self-hating Jews''. Think that's my favorite response in this entire debate so far. Israeli's who call out Israel do so because they hate their own.

we could give them sicily: yes ofc, please take it with the existing sicilians.

But no citizenship of our country, they can get an hamas sicily and we can embargo them

It's not "starvation," they're simply enfeebling (and killing) the population by enforcing a calorie restriction policy!

Have to admit, this was not the response I was expecting but you made me laugh.

"enforcing calorie restriction" sounds like the policy of a Summer Fat Farm.

if it is starvation, given you guys have been claiming it is starvation since months ago, you either claim that stops soon or every single palestinian in gaza should be dead soon right?

otherwise which starvation is it, you starve 6 months and you don't die?

Unless every one is dead by october it was never starvation, agreed?

Is it your contention that even the few Israeli officials with a conscience who are acknowledging starvation and genocide don't know what they're talking about?

Not to take away from the actual genocide on people, can't help but notice there is a genocide on the dictionary from these ghouls.

Probably about time to disarm and return the hostages.

Resistance by any means, though, right?

I think 10 more starved babies will take Jerusalem.

Victor was predicting the fall of Jerusalem a year ago, what happened to that?

Might want to look up what happened when the PA disarmed. Or just read the words of the genocidal Jewish Supremacists who outright say they intend to cleanse the land of the untermensch.

I hope everyone that sees this exchange understands what victor just admitted. if someone is a moral enough monster, he wouldn’t care if ethnic cleansing happens to them.

so by that token why should anyone care, by victor’s own standards for what is or is not something he would tolerate in his own movement, Israel ethnically cleansing Gaza?

victor’s stance against the “genocide” is incidental. because it’s happening to a group he supports he cares, but if it happened to Israelis it’s an act of brave resistance that can’t be questioned.

these are the sickos that call us nazis, people that would be happy to see Jews chased off by a genocidal radical terrorist organization, and who chastises people who don’t support that.

and where is someone like jalfrezi who constantly bitches and moans about people being sick and evil? nowhere because victor is the left’s attack dog on the forum.

Israeli officials (quoted in this thread upstream) have repeatedly said the Gazans will be shot and starved until they leave. So why is it hard to believe the daily reports of dozens of deaths from violence and hunger?

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Would somebody like to answer this question?

I think most of the reports of starvation are greatly exaggerated. Right now there are a lot of videos of Palestinian refugees from Gaza landing in various places of Europe, and most of them look well-fed if not obese.

That being said, I would say Israel is intentionally making life in Gaza hard; to create a wedge between Hamas and the people. Many westerners like yourself view Palestinians, including Hamas, as having no agency. They are more or less regarded as children incapable of moral agency.

However, the Palestinian people of Gaza themselves acknowledge that they are suffering in large part due to decisions Hamas is making. And Israel is doing what it can to create a wedge. And it seems to be working to some extent.

Of course Palestinians blame Israel more than Hamas. But due to very successful internal brainwashing and propaganda efforts, Palestinians already have such a baseline hate of Israel, Israelis and Jews that there is little PR cost (at least when it comes to Palestinians).

When Trump was thinking of moving the US embassy to Jerusalem he asked what the Palestinians would think about it. And he was informed they would hate it; but then Trump asked how Palestinians perceive him now, and he was told they already overwhelmingly hate him (and all things American) anyways, so he wouldn't be losing anything. This just points out one of the problems from the Palestinian end is their population is already so brainwashed and hateful, there is little incentive for Israel (or the US) to treat with them for PR reasons.

That being said, a less pragmatic leader than Trump might decide to support the Palestinians anyways out of principle. But from a pragmatic perspective, Palestinians are so committed to their generational war to destroy Israel there is little point in trying to meet them in the middle. Which is why no one really bothers.

Even the Western nations announcing a Palestinian state are making no efforts to work with the Palestinian people to make this a reality. If a western leader tried to do this, they would probably just get rocks thrown at them (or worse). I remember a German politician tried to do a PR tour in the West Bank a few years ago, and it was disastrous. He was literally running for his life from large rocks being thrown at his head by "students"

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Israeli officials (quoted in this thread upstream) have repeatedly said the Gazans will be shot and starved until they leave. So why is it hard to believe the daily reports of dozens of deaths from violence and hunger?

Because it has been almost 2 years, everyone has a cell phone camera, and there is no actual evidence this is happening or even has happened. Just "eyewitness testimony" from liars.

Israel’s government has a responsibility of accepting refugees from Gaza. They look really ugly if they’re at least not offering it. They are by default responsible for Gaza as they control all of the supplies into the area. Plus, they keep claiming that they are not against the Gazans but Hamas.

The European governments should be putting a ton of pressure on the Israeli government to accept some Number if not every civilian of Gaza into Israel that has lost a parent orThat has been wounded severely. If officials in the Israeli government claim that that would ruin Israeli demographics or similar they are evil racists and liars to. Again Bibi Netanyahu is saying the people of Gaza are now rising up and fighting Hamas. Well if he says that he should be offering Gaza civilians a home in Tel Aviv.

You really do live in your own reality. Literally no one thinks this, and no country would put any pressure on Israel to accept Gaza refugees right now. Maybe in 25 years if there is a prolonged peace and Palestinian society has deradicalized. But given current realities, completely ridiculous.

Well when you only respond to one portion of the post and ignore the statements of Israeli officials, you can come to your conclusion.

But even to your point many European officials(perhaps the ones who are not bought and paid for by the Israeli lobby) want a two state solution. So you lose either way.

Anyway, any person in Israel who believes that adding Gazan children to their demographics would ruin things are demonic racists. That’s all there is to it and they’re often two-faced hypocrites because they lie about people being anti-Semitic and they often claim Israel is the most humanitarian country in the Middle East.

This is an extremely low bar. The Middle East is not humanitarian at all. You can be not particularly humanitarian and still the most humanitarian country in the Middle East.

Pretty much no countries in the Middle East would allow large scale Palestinian immigration and naturalization, in part because they dont want to mess up their demographics (on top of not wanting to import highly destructive Palestinian political movements). Are they all demonic and racist, or is that just the one Jewish country?

At some point every European country is going to shut down immigration exactly because they dont want to mess up their demographics. Many already have. Many East Asian countries same thing. Even US will probably get there eventually.

Are they all demonic and racist? Or again, is this label reserved only for Jews.

that if they had wanted to, every single palestinian in gaza would have been dead already since like easter 2024. If they want to really starve them all to death they can at any time, just interrupting ALL aid and that's it, gg they all die.

Meanwhile if they actually wanted to kill them all by violent means, they would , you know, shoot on sight to everyone, after, you know, bombing actually everything? that wouldn't kill 100% of them (tunnels still exist), but you will never see any living human being except IDF on the ground in the whole of gaza would you?

That's why it's hard to believe that's their intention. Because they have the means and they aren't doing that.

Oh boy.

I wouldn't take that view at all. Hamas bears a heavy responsibility for actions that were bound to end in disaster and Gazans shouldn't have elected such a gang in the first place-- not that they've had another chance to vote since, and that was a pretty predictable outcome as well. Israelis, however, are still responsible for their own actions.

This post is obviously correct.

Of course, the knee-jerk reaction from Victor & Co. will be that you're "blaming the victim!"