Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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I think this has more to do with being young than a "generational shift" against what's being purported. They just tend to be more anti govt and that often settles their position more. It was the young people who correctly called out Vietnam (with much less social media)
no?
fter adjusting for socioeconomic and demographic characteristics, political affiliation, and trusted source of information about COVID-19, results from the regression model for Gen Zers beliefs in vaccines were reversed—compared to Boomers, Gen Zers had a lower likelihood of agreeing that COVID-19 vaccines have many known harmful side effects (OR = 0.23, 95% CI = 0.11–0.50) and may lead to illness and death (OR = 0.19, 95% CI = 0.09–0.43). For the most part, both Millennials and Gen Xers were no different from Boomers in their beliefs about COVID-19 vaccines. However, Gen Xers still had a lower likelihood of believing that the vaccines are useful and effective (OR = 0.62, 95%CI = 0.44–0.89) compared to Boomers. Silents' likelihood of believing in these vaccine statements compared to Boomers remained the same in unadjusted and adjusted models.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...
Here, without controls, gen Z looks worse but still not worse than millennials/x
I am not sure what your question is nor what you think the hipocrisy is. If you clarify what you mean i can tell you what i teach my kids about Israel events.
If your kids go to American public schools they are taught that the US is based on values of freedom and self-determination. Then they grow up and see what America funds in Gaza.
Is this really rocket science?
If your kids go to American public schools they are taught that the US is based on values of freedom and self-determination. Then they grow up and see what America funds in Gaza.
Is this really rocket science?
My kids go to school in Italy.
But anyway, the USA has been founded on the genocide of the natives, and then had a civil war to deny the right of self-determination of the people who lived in the states that wanted to secede, so maybe denying that is how the USA can exist is the hypocrisy, not funding Israel self defense.
The USA is founded on the denial of self determination of groups when it is in the USA interest lol. While giving more individual freedom (still with constrains) to a large enough portion of the population, than basically everyone else before them
It's like the basic civic principle of the USA "we take what we want and we kill those who disagree; after that you do the **** you want with some limits".
The sentence wasn't a run-on, unless you hold yourself to Hemmingway-esque standards.
US has been crushing it for decades in pharmaceuticals and medical tech.
In 2024, the US imported $213 billion of pharmas and exported $94 billion. Yes, it's globally competitive, but the situation in the medical/pharmaceutical industry isn't good for the US. These industries are heavily subsidized by the federal government (i.e. deficit spending). One thing the US lacks (but used to have in spades) is globally competitive self-sufficient industries. Pumping deficit money into these industries is not sustainable, and is leading to the major problems Powell/Trump are facing when it comes to selling long-term debt. This leads to the problems in the housing market that Gen-Z is facing, which leads to demographic collapse, disillusionment, etc...
This is not the trajectory you want your country to be on.
ItÂ’s also generally a leader in capital, IP, and service intensive segments. Caterpillar is practically the only game in ton for ultra (think building sized excavators). You basically canÂ’t build a semi conductor plant without American manufactured gear.
Point taken, but this is a very specialized, non-consumer product similar to weapons. Very few are benefiting for the production of this product in the US.
Jet engines are pretty much all American now. To the extent Safran and Rolls Royce are remotely competitive itÂ’s because their host countries made GE share IP.
Again, point taken, but my point stands as very few are benefiting from this. Jet engines are not going to get Gen Z off TikTok and back to a productive mode.
We are also the only game in town for a whole lot of IP protected alloys that are rarer than so called rare earths.
Don't know enough about this to comment.
The death of manufacturing is pretty much a myth.
My overall point was about disillusionment related to the death of blue collar manufacturing and the unsustainable trajectory that comes from relying too much on printing the world reserve currency, so I think that has been cleared up.
My kids go to school in Italy.But anyway, the USA has been founded on the genocide of the natives, and then had a civil war to deny the right of self-determination of the people who lived in the states that wanted to secede, so maybe denying that is how the USA can exist is the hypocrisy, not funding Israel self defense.The USA is founded on the denial of self determination of
Kids in the US are taught that it was bad to genocide the natives, that it was bad to napalm villages in Vietnam, but that there is hope the US will learn its lesson. Gaza shatters that illusion in real time.
This is why I asked the pro-Israel posters if they would be in favor of switching to a curriculum focused more on aggrandizing American power in order reprogram minds from a young age and stem the tide of disillusionment that is leading to Israel's probable defunding.
I'll mark you down for a "yes."
Kids in the US are taught that it was bad to genocide the natives, that it was bad to napalm villages in Vietnam, but that there is hope the US will learn its lesson. Gaza shatters that illusion in real time. This is why I asked the pro-Israel posters if they would be in favor of switching to a curriculum focused more on aggrandizing American power in order reprogram minds from
Well then stop lying and start admitting it was ok to use violence for the benefit of americans. Vietnam war was wrong because you lost even while spending a lot of treasure and american blood, not because of the damage inflicted on communists (!!!!).
Yes, mark me down to a resounding yes. Btw you don't need any "reprogramming". The normal state of human nature is most members of a group don't give the slightest **** about non-members and are absolutely wiling to use unlimited violence against non tribe members for their benefit. That's human nature.
You need massive attempts at reprogramming to achieve the current innatural, anti-human state of things where a lot of people in a society don't have uniquely that society wellbeing as their only political interest in the international scene.
The people in charge will be long gone with their money and wealth by the time Gen Z gets around to having any influence.Pompeus has also been bleating on and on about the same point which has had no bearing on reality. It’s been demonstrated multiple times why his logic is faulty and he just keeps repeating himself. Meanwhile Gaza is in ruins while Gen Z rots their brains ou
Are you saying that the Pew poll with 50% of 18-49 Republicans holding anti-Israel sentiment isn't real?
Are you saying that it will be easy to replace the support of the American protestant right?
Are you saying that Israel doesn't need unlimited guaranteed ammo?
Where, exactly, is my logic faulty?
Well then stop lying and start admitting it was ok to use violence for the benefit of americans. Vietnam war was wrong because you lost even while spending a lot of treasure and american blood, not because of the damage inflicted on communists (!!!!).Yes, mark me down to a resounding yes. Btw you don't need any "reprogramming". The normal state of human nature is most members o
There are these things called "stories" that have been kind of influential in human history, which are structured based on good guys and bad guys. Generally, when you are behaving in an overtly Machiavellian manner, you are the bad guy and don't have people on your side.
The might-makes-right thinking you are advocating is actually more at the hardware level of human consciousness, and you need to reprogram the story-based operating system (that basically every civilization runs on) in order to bring it to the surface.
Are you saying that the Pew poll with 50% of 18-49 Republicans holding anti-Israel sentiment isn't real?
Are you saying that it will be easy to replace the support of the American protestant right?
Are you saying that Israel doesn't need unlimited guaranteed ammo?
Where, exactly, is my logic faulty?
older people typically shift to the right (not automatic, but typical) as we already discussed.
And in the far future other sources of weapons can be available. especially if the USA lose supremacy after enough years of leftism at some point (ie if the rightwing attempt to make the country western again fails).
Bill posts a Haaretz article that states famine is everywhere in Gaza.
Also
The Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) has raised its classification to Phase 5, the highest and worst level of its acute food insecurity scale.
It says famine is confirmed in the Gaza Governorate, which includes Gaza City and its surrounding area, with "catastrophic conditions" projected to expand to Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis by the end of September.
More than 500,000 people in the Gaza Strip are facing “starvation, destitution and death”, it adds.
Thread ignores it.
Bill posts a Haaretz article that states famine is everywhere in Gaza.
Also
Thread ignores it.
Because we don't believe any leftist source claim about anything related to this topic and many others. At all. Like we do not believe them.
Also, if we were to believe them, there would be no hospital left in Gaza (IDF destroyed them all, according to your sourceS) so the whole story doesn't check out in pallywood land either.
My kids go to school in Italy.
But anyway, the USA has been founded on the genocide of the natives, and then had a civil war to deny the right of self-determination of the people who lived in the states that wanted to secede*
* -- excluding the black inhabitants of those states, of coruse
Because we don't believe any leftist source claim about anything related to this topic and many others. At all. Like we do not believe them.
Circular reasoning. You don’t like anything you call leftist, which is defined as a subset of everything you don’t like.
lol at calling Haaretz leftist. they support Israel as a Jewish supremacist state.
All the photos are AI? The interviews with 12 doctors were faked?
You are a holocaust-denying conspiritard.
All the photos are AI? The interviews with 12 doctors were faked?
You are a holocaust-denying conspiritard.
Is Luciom a holocaust-denier?
All the photos are AI? The interviews with 12 doctors were faked?
You are a holocaust-denying conspiritard.
If you are in Gaza right now and you aren't IDF, you are in the top 0.01% of worldwide leftists. No one sane of mind with no radical masochistical leftists ideal would put foot in that horror show for **** sake.
Being there already makes you a friend of Hamas, if you aren't, they kill you. So that makes everything you say, forever, of 0 informational value.
Your link triggers all my antiviruses after it asks me to remove ad blockage lol. Another nice red flag
I don't want Israelis "sent back to Poland". I want them and Palestinians to have US and Israel passports.
Very happy for them if that’s what they want, though it’s understandable if they prefer to settle in Israel.
Freedom of movement that a true libertarian like yourself obviously supports.
remember, if you don’t want jews to be violently ejected from the middle east and “sent back to poland” (hmm wonder why they left) then the anti-zionist thinks you are a genocide supporter
they sure didnt leave bc of the Palestinians.
but I do like how you framed it as either they all leave or Israel remains as a genocidal Jewish Supremacist apartheid state.
they sure didnt leave bc of the Palestinians.
but I do like how you framed it as either they all leave or Israel remains as a genocidal Jewish Supremacist apartheid state.
If it’s a settler colonialist movement and any resistance is justified, then by definition one of the possible remediations has to be that Palestinians can assert their sovereignty by deporting them. Settler babies, remember? No one is innocent.
Or are you against Palestinians exercising their full and lawful sovereignty that far leftists assert oppressed people have?
