Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Yes it is shocking. I'm about to go to Sydney for Christmas and was planning on going to Bondi Beach. But this has been simmering the anti-Semitism undertones in our society and the government not doing enough to curb it with what has been happening at our universities and attacks on the synagogues. It took the then opposition leader to really force Albanese's hand to put measures in place to address it but clearly not enough. The recognition of the Palestinian statehood despite all that anti-Semitism feelings would have added to how emboldened those attackers were.
The sad truth is that completely destroying Hamas would likely take an actual genocide.
It would take a complete military occupation and a counter-insurgency campaign on the ground, which the Israelis won't do, mainly for fear of soldiers being taken hostage. (A not unreasonable fear.) That is why Israeli strategy relies on mass destruction instead. But it hasn't actually worked, except in terms of collective punishment, which is unlawful.
Yes it is shocking. I'm about to go to Sydney for Christmas and was planning on going to Bondi Beach. But this has been simmering the anti-Semitism undertones in our society and the government not doing enough to curb it with what has been happening at our universities and attacks on the synagogues. It took the then opposition leader to really force Albanese's hand to put measu
Australia's recent top-down cultural and political slide into barmy elitist omnicause wokery is deeply regrettable, but it is to say the least unlikely that the fanatical antisemitic murderers were motivated by Australia's diplomatic recognition of the PA. They will be the kind of people who are beyond any consideration like that.
its what Bibi and the Zionists are blaming it on right now though.
They are, which is discreditable and certainly doesn't help. It's kind of social-media politics. No good, really.
In Australia, the Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ) logged 1,654 anti-Jewish incidents in the 12 months to 30 September, about three times higher than any annual total before the war in Gaza. In a report earlier this month, the ECAJ said anti-Jewish racism had left the fringes of society and become part of the mainstream, with “an increasing ideological alignment … between neo-Nazis, the anti-Israel left or Islamists”.
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Security officials have been warning for some time that the Gaza conflict has prompted a wave of extremist radicalisation across the Islamic world and well beyond. Last year, then US director of national intelligence, Avril Haines, said the war “will have a generational impact on terrorism”.
The most recent report of the UN committee overseeing sanctions on members of al-Qaida and Islamic State noted that “the Gaza and Israel conflict” still featured prominently in terrorist propaganda, and that “in the US, there were several alleged terrorist attack plots, largely motivated by the Gaza and Israel conflict or individuals inspired and radicalised by [IS]”.
would love to see some examples of these supposed incidents. probably just eating a watermelon makes the list.
As the writer of a Jewish anti-Semitism report to the government and the government yet to have considered and/or implemented its recommebdations the anti-Semitism attitudes have been rife in this country basically ever since that march to the Opera house by Palestinian supporters on Oct 9 was allowed by the state government and the waving of the Hamas flags and the death chants to the Israeli people. It was a huge mistake by the government to allow that and subsequent repeat requests have been knocked back.
As the writer of a Jewish anti-Semitism report to the government and the government yet to have considered and/or implemented its recommebdations the anti-Semitism attitudes have been rife in this country basically ever since that march to the Opera house by Palestinian supporters on Oct 9 was allowed by the state government and the waving of the Hamas flags and the
fake news ofc
Bibi and the far right are certainly huge allies of antisemites despite their protestations. A wave of antisemitism throughout the world is exactly what the doctor ordered, according to them.
It would take a complete military occupation and a counter-insurgency campaign on the ground, which the Israelis won't do, mainly for fear of soldiers being taken hostage. (A not unreasonable fear.) That is why Israeli strategy relies on mass destruction instead. But it hasn't actually worked, except in terms of collective punishment, which is unlawful.
The IDF has been conducting on the ground raids and operations in the West Bank since the start of the Gaza war. It’s obvious that the IDF’s default strategy is not mass destruction and collective punishment. If Gaza wasn’t turned into a booby trapped kill zone for Jews the IDF could conduct more boots on the ground operations but that is not reality. Furthermore, you know that a full occupation would be extremely costly and would never stand with Israel’s enemies. tYou’re also smart enough to understand that Israel was fighting a multi-front war the entire time and despite having financial backing from the US, their military is small and relies on reservists for large scale operations. In retrospect it’s easier to say the IDF could have taken a different approach but they didn’t know at the time that Hezbollah and Iran would fold so easily. Remember there was a time when conventional knowledge was that Hezbollah was the strongest non state actor in the region. And again, it’s all worked out pretty well seeing as Hamas is about as weak as they’ve ever been.
Israel existing makes antisemites all over the world mad and at the same time strengthens the argument for its existence.
I knew Chezlaw would be in here posting about the shooting in Australia like a fly buzzing to a pile of ****.
The IDF has been conducting on the ground raids and operations in the West Bank since the start of the Gaza war. It’s obvious that the IDF’s default strategy is not mass destruction and collective punishment. If Gaza wasn’t turned into a booby trapped kill zone for Jews the IDF could conduct more boots on the ground operations but that is not reality. Furthermore, you know t
bro what are you even talking about? they have militarily destroyed large swaths of the West Bank in Jenin, Tulkarem, and other places. thats on top of the regular "legal" house demolition that was already at a record pace.
why are they even doing military raids in the West Bank? oh right, bc they are racist, fascist, genocidal, theives.
Israel existing makes antisemites all over the world mad and at the same time strengthens the argument for its existence.
I knew Chezlaw would be in here posting about the shooting in Australia like a fly buzzing to a pile of ****.
As observed from the beginning, a rise in antisemitism and islamophobia were an inevitable consequence of netanyahu actions. Yes I continue to post about it. I think it amtters
You on the other hand defend the biggest asset to the worst extremists on all sides.
As observed from the beginning, a rise in antisemitism and islamophobia were an inevitable consequence of netanyahu actions. Yes I continue to post about it. I think it amtters
You on the other hand defend the biggest asset to the worst extremists on all sides.
I’m not even a Netanyahu supporter but the nuance would be lost on you. You post about it a lot because the confirmation of your believes that it gives you feels good.
As observed from the beginning, a rise in antisemitism and islamophobia were an inevitable consequence of netanyahu actions. Yes I continue to post about it. I think it amtters
You on the other hand defend the biggest asset to the worst extremists on all sides.
Some education is needed in this thread, which imho should have been shut down a long time ago. It's really a sht stain on 2+2 that it exists.
Antisemitism is a specific targeting of a people and culture. Jews are treated as an ethnic and cultural group, often regardless of belief.
Islamophobia is NOT the targeting of a people or culture. It's a criticism of bad ideas in the religion itself. Things like blasphemy laws, subjugation of women, violence against gays, theocratic governance, violence in defense of belief, and so on.
That's not to say that people of the Muslim faith can't be targeted, because of course they can. However, Antisemitism and Islamophobia are not equivalent, yet I repeatedly see them treated as if they are. Conflating them is a category error, not a serious argument.
Most victims of Islamist violence are Muslims. This is not the case w/ antisemitism.
I just want to get that clear.
Most victims of Islamist violence are Muslims. This is not the case w/ antisemitism.
right bc something like 90% of Muslims oppose ISIS and Al Qaeda Extremists. however, similar numbers of Jews support the Extremist ideals of Zionism.
I’m not even a Netanyahu supporter but the nuance would be lost on you. You post about it a lot because the confirmation of your believes that it gives you feels good.
I get your nuance but you defend his actions and it's those actions that are the biggest asset.
and your pap psychology is wrong, I would much rather be wrong but unfortunately some things are trivially true and this is one of them.
Some education is needed in this thread, which imho should have been shut down a long time ago. It's really a sht stain on 2+2 that it exists.Antisemitism is a specific targeting of a people and culture. Jews are treated as an ethnic and cultural group, often regardless of belief. Islamophobia is NOT the targeting of a people or culture. It's a criticism of bad ideas in the rel
Clearly silly but ty anyway
This is more reflective of reality
Anti-Muslim hate in the UK surged to record levels last year, an organisation tracking Islamophobia has found.
Almost 6,000 reports to Tell Mama were confirmed by it as anti-Muslim incidents, more than double the number two years ago, with men targeted more than women for the first time since the body was founded in 2012.
In its report, external the organisation said there had been a "surge in rhetoric that falsely portrays Muslims as terrorists or terrorist sympathisers" following the Israel-Gaza conflict and Southport murders.
A government spokesperson called the findings "extremely concerning" and said it would "seek to stamp out anti-Muslim hatred and racism wherever it occurs".
A total of 6,313 cases of anti-Muslim hate were recorded by Tell Mama in 2024, a 43% increase on the previous year - with 5,837 of the reports verified by the group.
The organisation, which describes itself as the leading agency on monitoring anti-Muslim hate crime, said it had documented a steep rise in offline incidents, with 3,680 cases reported - a 72% increase on the number two years ago.
The majority of the in-person cases were abusive behaviour, with Tell Mama also recording incidents of physical assault, discrimination and vandalism. Most of the attacks took place in public areas such as streets and parks, with a minority occurring in the workplace.
Antisemitism is a specific targeting of a people and culture. Jews are treated as an ethnic and cultural group, often regardless of belief.
Islamophobia is NOT the targeting of a people or culture. It's a criticism of bad ideas in the religion itself. Things like blasphemy laws, subjugation of women, violence against gays, theocratic governance, violence in defense of belief, and so on.
When you say that, you are targeting the people and the culture. A crazy murderous antisemite could equally retort that most Jews are Zionists, and uncritical come-what-may supporters of Israeli government policy, which mostly consists of bad ideas, and that's what is being targeted.
So you're privileging Jews as civilised, while condemning Muslims as barbaric, which is an argument, perhaps, but a bit suspect considering the Israeli government's behaviour in the occupation of the West Bank and the destruction of Gaza.
they think that all Muslims are responsible for the actions of a very small amount. they dont apply these rules to other groups.
I’d rather live under a Jewish dominated society than a Muslim one, although I’d prefer neither.
Some education is needed in this thread, which imho should have been shut down a long time ago. It's really a sht stain on 2+2 that it exists.Antisemitism is a specific targeting of a people and culture. Jews are treated as an ethnic and cultural group, often regardless of belief. Islamophobia is NOT the targeting of a people or culture. It's a criticism of bad ideas in the rel
This is a very long-winded way of saying "bigotry is okay when my preferred side does it."
I’d rather live under a Jewish dominated society than a Muslim one, although I’d prefer neither.
assuming by "Jewish dominated" that you mean something akin to Israel then I doubt you would prefer it if you were Muslim or Palestinian. its pretty telling that you didnt consider that.
but then again, I dont think we are supposed to equate Israel with Jewish domination last I checked so I dont know what you mean by that.
