Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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what part is bullshit gs? oh right you disagree with the part about not brutalizing Palestinian kids.
We visited the solidarity encampment at ...
Far from a danger zone where Jews should fear to tread, the encampment hosted a large kabbalat shabbat service on Friday evening, followed the next night by an equally well-attended havdalah service. These, along with the many statements from Jewish students and faculty testifying to feeling safe on campus and condemning Shafik’s crackdown on the protests, should call into question the glib narrative peddled by those in power that the protesters are antisemites and Columbia and Barnard are hostile to their Jewish populations.
Haven't been keeping up with this thread recently. Clicked on the last couple of pages and see that we are somehow seeing even more hatred of Jews in this thread than a few months ago. Incredible how things never change.
Don't be a wuss, defend your position. Quote something and explain what's antisemitic about it.
That's a bit extreme of a conclusion, but yeah, Israel used to respond by trying to get hostages back and that has changed.
There's going to be some frantic revisionism here when people realise they've basically been the equivalent of holocaust deniers.
That's a bit extreme of a conclusion, but yeah, Israel used to respond by trying to get hostages back and that has changed.
Israel paid huge for 1 hostage
What can we get if we kidnap 250?
Yes
That's a bit extreme of a conclusion, but yeah, Israel used to respond by trying to get hostages back and that has changed.
Israel realized that rewarding Hamas for kidnapping and killing Israelis created a horrible incentive structure that was actually encouraging more violence and further radicalization of Palestinian society.
Realizing this error, Israel is now trying a new approach of decentivizing violence by using force to remove the ability of Palestinians to commit violence as much as possible.
You've been suggesting that Hamas' goal on Oct 7th was to get the return of Palestinian prisoners. I'm pretty sure that conflicts with what you have described as Hamas' Oct 7th goals in other places in this thread.
You've been suggesting that Hamas' goal on Oct 7th was to get the return of Palestinian prisoners. I'm pretty sure that conflicts with what you have described as Hamas' Oct 7th goals in other places in this thread.
You act like they only have one goal
When it comes to Israel you ask if the sudden become stupid. It has to be an act
There's going to be some frantic revisionism here when people realise they've basically been the equivalent of holocaust deniers.
these people will go to their graves believing this was right and proper.
but I do feel bad if their offspring reads this and has to contend with that about their ancestors.
You act like they only have one goal
When it comes to Israel you ask if the sudden become stupid. It has to be an act
It's not that simple, but I do actually think their primary goal was to kidnap people for exchange. You and Victor both seem to think their primary goal was to defeat/eradicate Israel.
these people will go to their graves believing this was right and proper.
but I do feel bad if their offspring reads this and has to contend with that about their ancestors.
Just to confirm: you’re a delusional wannabe Nazi.
Our offspring will be just fine. Hopefully they won’t have to deal with too many viKKKs.
On top of this, in 2021 when Hamas started a fresh round of rocket attacks Biden gave them billions to stop. Quite possibly they were expecting a similar reward here.
I think a real issue is that there really is a "theory of mind" disconnect. Because Arabs generally operate from a "might makes right" paradigm they dont fully comprehend Western norms of restraint and compassion, and mistake it for actually weakness or lack of resolve. Saddam actually admitted making such an error in his invasion of Kuwait.
Westerners for their part make the same error, in assuming their restraint will be reciprocated in kind, where it pretty much never is.
Kelhus,
You'd do yourself a favor if you dropped the whole Westerners and non are just different types of people and this honor culture stuff, but I guess it's who you are. Ffs, non-Arabs right here in this thread have argued might makes right about a thousand times.
It's not that simple, but I do actually think their primary goal was to kidnap people for exchange. You and Victor both seem to think their primary goal was to defeat/eradicate Israel.
Ive theorized it was a hostage mission before but I am not so sure now.
at least in the case of the civilians, it is clear they did not want them and offered them back the day after the attack. perhaps they took civilians as human shields to allow safe return to Gaza. we all saw how that worked out and Israeli helicopters incinerated Hamas and civilians alike.
It's not that simple, but I do actually think their primary goal was to kidnap people for exchange. You and Victor both seem to think their primary goal was to defeat/eradicate Israel.
Well, that is their ultimate goal. Being religious fanatics, it seems there is always some faith that at any point Allah will reward their Jihad with Israel's ultimate defeat through some unknown means. But for any specific action there is always a more proximate goal in mind. In this case starting a more limited conflict they would be rewarded with in the end with prisoners and money would seem to be such a proximate objective.
It's not that simple, but I do actually think their primary goal was to kidnap people for exchange. You and Victor both seem to think their primary goal was to defeat/eradicate Israel.
the primary goal was to rape and murder as many jews as possible
it very well could be that they intended to keep military pows.
also, its been reported that they expected 90% of the attackers to not return. instead 90% did return. so maybe they had no plan for such success.
well they did a bad job at it then
Kelhus,
You'd do yourself a favor if you dropped the whole Westerners and non are just different types of people and this honor culture stuff, but I guess it's who you are. Ffs, non-Arabs right here in this thread have argued might makes right about a thousand times.
They certainly aren't the ones directing Western foreign policy. Although it is interesting to note the Trump administration was probably the closest the US has gotten to this theory of mind. And it probably isn't an accident his administration seemed to relate much better with Russia and third world dictators than our Western allies.
Ive theorized it was a hostage mission before but I am not so sure now.
at least in the case of the civilians, it is clear they did not want them and offered them back the day after the attack. perhaps they took civilians as human shields to allow safe return to Gaza. we all saw how that worked out and Israeli helicopters incinerated Hamas and civilians alike.
Truly a sick, depraved individual.
