Israel/Palestine thread

I wasn't arguing with you fwiw. I just thought it would be unlikely that washoe know what you meant with "Talmud".

Lucky you having all those religious lessons at an early age.

You are the conservatives here lol

All the Jewish kids I knew just knew where to get the really good weed. What are the Jewish values I missed out on?

depending on the country, you can cut off your adult children completly when they are 18, and only give them money if they do exactly what you ask from them.

Now as for taxpayers, you can put a lot of rules if you want (including behavioral ones if they want to keep getting free or subsidized college), like you know welfare is sometimes linked to work requirements, drug-free requirements and so on. Not unusual at all.

In italy it was always illegal to cover your face in full, after some problems in ERs (violence toward physicians because of long waiting times) we had both "mandatory mask" and "illegal to cover your face here" signs in ERs (really).

cover your face man, cover your face. Make up such as you are unrecognizable? no.

We had to give special rules to Venice for carnival to allow masked people to go around legally, we are a country which had enough terrorism and mafia killing with covered faces to keep it illegal (unless otherwise dispensed) to be irrecognizable in public.

VERY basic security law.

we do in italy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_...

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Italy
In Italy, a law issued in 1975 strictly forbids wearing of any attire that could hide the face of a person. Penalties (fines and imprisonment) are provided for such behaviour. The original purpose of the anti-mask law was to prevent crime or terrorism. The law allows for exemptions for a "justified cause", which has sometimes been interpreted by courts as including religious reasons for wearing a veil, but others –including local governments– disagree and claim religion is not a "justified cause" in this context

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such as people actually being really, really motivated to be financially self sufficient? regarding being parasites as something they have the utmost moral imperative to stop being the instant they can?

it's as if jews aren't all the same, incredible uh? vaguely related ethnic groups with vaguely common religious values with various different interpretations aren't a monolith

also called the pentateuch and also fully part of the ... christian bible?

I’m comfortable saying that “Kill ‘em all bibi” is not aligned with any Jewish values with which I’m familiar

On Purim adults are supposed to get intoxicated until you can't tell the difference between good and evil because in some kind of cosmic buddhist way it's all part of the same thing or something. When I lived at Chabad most of the Orthodox men were dancing around with bottles of vodka, but some of the younger men were doing acid.

"Kill 'em all Dubya" is not aligned with any Christian values with which I’m familiar.

Yes. The Torah is the Old Testament. Basically anyway. I've never been religious, just spent time around religious people/picked things up. I was just thinking some people who know the Christian Bible might have thought the Torah was something different.

You have a delightful imagination. This is just how normal adults behave in large groups. There’s no special safe space for emotionally immature passive aggressive old men with brain worms.

Hardly anyone percentage wise really honestly believes in the full set of their religious values.

Yeah, that’s kinda demonstrative of how most “religious” people are just bigots dressed up as sky man worshipers

You just need to frame them as a direct threat to you and you are good to go in judaism.

They do it's just not the value you think their religion "should" include.

Within any major religion you have enough variants you can find one that accepts your preferences, within a wide range. That's how they get and stay big btw

Clearly. If I thought Mets was representative of every Jew, for example, that would be problematic.

Jews do have a lot of variance/variation especially as there is no central Church. But, we don't get or stay big because we don't proselytize. For conversion, Orthodox anyway, you get turned away three times before being allowed to begin the process. The Druze make us look like Catholics though.

Well parts of it are very different in interpretation. The king james interprets many things differently than the tanach

The virgin birth is a good example. King james version mentions the messiah coming from a virgin mother, a jewish Bible translation would say a young woman

Some of this is due to the lack of vowels in the Torah, so the word can be several different words. Some has to do with the king james Bible being interpreted from the Greek translation of the torah. And some because the Hebrew is interpreted in a way that makes sense for whatever belief system you are teaching

That's supposedly what Romans had to do when offered the crown

There is variance between sects but each sect does pretty much do the same everywhere

Reform, conservative, and Orthodox each do have a Us authority to Change rules

A good example is kinyot. For thousands of years both Orthodox and conservative jews would not eat rice or beans on passover .. for really no good Torah reason. In 2016 the conservative committee on Jewish Laws and Standards decided that it is okay for conservative jews to eat kinyot on passover.

Sephardic Jews always allowed it, even the Orthodox. I love the way Sephardic Jews interpret the Torah in general

But i digress