Israel/Palestine thread

If Hamas and the Resistance acted like the IDF then I would be much more reticent about their cause.

Try googling "1940's terrorism"

yet another report that Israel is deliberately sniping children. this time from a Jewish American doctor.

awhile back mongo asked incredulously something like "who would volunteer in Gaza?" well this is the answer.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...

Israel just needs to do better about civilians right?

If you’re going to post screenshots of inflammatory headlines then you need to link to the article as well for context or your posts will be deleted. Thank you.

As I have said before, the US (and rest of the Western world) has spent the last couple decades telling Israel to mostly just play defense, and not to respond heavily towards Islamist aggression against them. And because of this, Israel's enemies have calculated it was +EV to be belligerent towards Israel, and have acted accordingly.

For good or bad, following 10/7 the current administration of Israel has decided to change the incentive structure. Maybe they always wanted to do so, and 10/7 gave them the pretense. For now at least, it appears Israel will respond extremely aggressively towards belligerence against them; in the hope that their enemies will decided aggression is
-EV and act accordingly.

Will such strategy actual work against religious zealots with no regard for human life (especially their own civilians) who sincerely regard dying in combat against Jews as entrance to paradise? I don't know. But we will find out I guess.

well you kind of give up the whole game when you mention civilians. the Western view seems to think that they can win by murdering civilians to force obsequence. putting the racism and immorality of it aside, its just not a winning strategy historically.

It's such a weak justifcation for supporting netanyahus monsterous and stupid campaign which is still developing and escalating.

It really is:
we must do something
this is something
It's monstrous and stupid
but we must do something

Well, your country is obviously taking a very different tact with supporting and appeasing homegrown radical Islamists who have declared death to Israel and voice full support for such high character actors as Hamas, Houthis and IRI. We will check back in a few years and see how well that is going.

You would hope at some point the light would go on with Arab Shia's that the IRI is just weaponizing their own prejudices to destabilize the Arab world for their benefit. But maybe not.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...

Good article about 2 volunteer doctors.

Israel now attacking a harbour in Yemen...

Everyone says they want the war to end, but no one has a single bad thing to say about the Islamists attacking Israel from all sides calling for their destruction. Or any ideas about how to get them to stop.

And there is certainly a vacuum of silence over Hamas spending 9 months under civilian areas holding Israeli and American hostages while firing rockets into Israel and using their own 9 year old children as shields.

You want the war to end, start marching in the streets of London and NY against radical Islamism, the IRI, Hamas and all their other proxies.

Funny how we never see any of that. There was marching in the streets on 10/7, celebrating these groups. And of course all the antisemitic marches that have gone on daily since, where there is normally a vocal minority of outright support for Hamas and other Islamists, while everyone else provides tacit support by not speaking out against it.

It isn't obvious either the antisemitic left or the Ummah actually want belligerence to stop. I would say they dont. They just want Western nations to put pressure on Israel to let the Islamists do better in the fighting and even the body count. They want more stories about dead 9 year old Jews, not peace.

You mean the guys that have this as their official slogan and have attacked Israel over 200 times in the last year, where one drone finally got through and hit a civilian target, killing civilians? And this is on top of all the sailors they have kidnapped and murdered in their genocidal goal to destroy international trade, which is the only thing keeping over 1 billion people alive, including most Yemenis.

I wonder why Israel would be attacking this group?

God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A Curse Upon the Jews
Victory to Islam

--Seriously though. How many people in MENA and Sub Saharan Africa rely on international shipping through this area for survival. Must be at least 1 billion. Maybe closer to 2 billion. And the Houthis are intentionally trying to disrupt this because of the hope it will hurt some Jews? So they are willing to risk the lives of literally billions just to get at some Jews?

The IDF should be given a Nobel Peace Prize for being the only one trying to do anything about this attack on civilization. And the rest of the world should be ashamed for doing nothing. And the Ivy League colleges hosting students cheering on the Houthis should disband themselves in shame.

i see not much has changed these past few months. aggressors are still the victims

Netanyahu enabling the extremist causes so much is not going to help.

The latest with Yemen is a precurser of the potential future if there is no political solution.

The future risk is cheap, deadly, intelligent and devestating mass missile/drone attacks that dont have to be fired from near the border. Gambling the future on some sort of total regional victory is insanity.

Surely they are not extremely poor themselves, simply firing whatever other countries hand them, for a tiny loan to buy some bread...

First world problems
I forget for you son
They got 99 problems
But Africa aint one

I read the article. This is a line from the article.

The moment the United States cuts off military aid to Israel the bombs will stop falling and the troops will withdraw.

These doctors are activists who have a very distorted and dangerous view of the world. This simply is not true. Weakening Israel does not mean peace. It will just embolden Islamists like Hamas and IRI and there will be more war. I dont think cutting off Israel even means less bombing. It just means using older, less precise bombs and more collateral damage.

These activists are either extremely stupid or extremely devious.

There may be a temporary ceasefire or there may not. But regardless, the bombing will stop when Hamas, IRI and all the other proxies are stopped. And the activism of these doctors works completely against this.

You want a political solution, go organize a march in the streets of London against the Houthis. Unilaterally telling Israel to lay down their arms when they are the ones being attacked from 10 different directions is not a political solution. It is a military solution (Israel loses) that Israel isn't interested in.

Israel is trying to establish deterrence by showing it will respond overwhelmingly to belligerence. You want to attack us with cheap, long range drones. Fine, we will destroy a city. Will this strategy actually work against such a nihilistic, callous, violent political movement as Islamism? I honestly have no clue. But I know the current US strategy of appeasement, which you endorse, isn't working and Israel has no future under that political solution.

Considering what they saw in the article it is not surprising that they want the conflict to stop no matter what, and as soon as possible.

Come on. You aren't that naive. Most sane people (not Islamists or far leftists) want the fighting to stop.

But these doctors are clearly activists with an agenda. Saying the US should stop supporting Israel is not a medical opinion, it is a geopolitical opinion completely disconnected from doing aid work.

I know doctors that have done humanitarian aid work. They didn't come back with geopolitical solutions, because that isn't what they were there for. They were there to do humanitarian work.

Maybe they sincerely think the US unilaterally putting pressure on Israel is a solution. But I would say this is very dangerous, incorrect thinking.

Were supporting a ceasefire, recognising a palastinian state etc. I'd like us to do a lot more but were exerting real political pressure on our government which is bearing some fruit. No-one is suggesting Israel lay does it's arms.

In the end though we're a 2nd rate power with minor influence at best.

There's multiple explanations other than these two. What would it say if in their 57 years and 40 humanitarian missions they had never offered a solution before?

You don't have anywhere close to enough knowledge to narrow it down to these two options.

Fwiw I agree that USA cutting off Israel probably doesn't lead to the outcome they want.

I read the article. I saw the pictures. I want the conflict to stop. Not just this little flare up; but the running 80 year conflict.

That is why the solution is to get the Palestinians out of there. That is how the conflict stops. Not cutting off support for Israel. And if you think giving groups like IRI, Hamas, Hezbollah political wins is how you get the conflict to stop, I would say you are insane and dangerous.

But honestly, I think I am in the minority that actually wants the conflict to stop. It seems most people just want Islamists to win. I guess that is one way to get the conflict to eventually stop. But the juice doesn't seem worth the squeeze to me.