Israel/Palestine thread
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Hm not if Gaza is military occupied for decades which is the plan.
Ridding the area of all these extermist organizations requires the people in control of the areas to be fighting them 24/7/365 until they are all eradicated.
Which means changing who controls those areas: it's impossible to get rid of extremist organizations under local self-rule in Gaza and Lebanon, that's what we now know.
In Lebanon it might be possible if a non-muslim local government comes to power and is helped by the west.
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Israel has proven they can't conduct a counter insurgency. Arab volunteers probably won't be willing to sacrifice the substantial amount of soldiers required to conduct one. This is extremely far fetched.
Israel has completely blundered this and continues to do so.
Seems like the real terrorists are the ones with the much higher KDR and much higher destruction of buildings
What definition of terrorist are you using for Hamas that doesn’t apply to the IDF?
Israel has proven they can't conduct a counter insurgency. Arab volunteers probably won't be willing to sacrifice the substantial amount of soldiers required to conduct one. This is extremely far fetched.
Israel has completely blundered this and continues to do so.
Israel isn't blundering anything. All the options are bad, and it isn't obvious this is the worst one. If they hold the Rafah border that will be a huge win as far as cutting off the terror pipeline. And the rest of the world fighting so hard to give control of the border back to Hamas so they can remilitarize Gaza is a moral and strategic failure on the worlds part.
The world has continuously let everyone down, because of their addiction to Arab oil, and misplaced empathy for bad faith actors. And the Arab world for its part, is just stuck in a xenophobic, zero sum mindset where Palestinians are nothing but disposable pawns to leverage against the West.
No one can conduct a counter insurgency when the actual insurgency is getting so much support. The entire world, especially the Western word, has been directly and indirectly supporting the insurgency for the last 80 years. The first thing that needs to happen is the aid pipeline to the insurgency needs to be cut off. Until that happens, we are all just spinning out wheels.
The other alternative is to have the Palestinians leave.
Also, from a strategic standpoint Israel has to be ready for a major war with Iran and all its proxies. And the current administration has decided that Hamas/Gaza cannot be allowed to remilitarize and re-arm to join in the war. Israel is taking care of its southern border now, so that is one less front they have to worry about. Especially considering how close it is to their major population centers.
The entity that is failing here is the UN. They are corrupt and compromised and clearly not up to the challenge of doing what they were formed to do.
Yeah the point was that terrorists seem to hide everywhere if we're to believe Israel and the likes of you. May as well flatten what ever is left standing in Gaza.
You seem pretty sharp so it’s a little surprising that you’re just getting your head around one of the most visible dilemmas Israel has been facing for basically its entire existence. Yes, the terrorists are hiding everywhere, purposefully being obfuscated by the general population, with some amount of willing participation. Israel has been trying to combat this for decades while trying to not just flatten everything.
You seem pretty sharp so it’s a little surprising that you’re just getting your head around one of the most visible dilemmas Israel has been facing for basically its entire existence. Yes, the terrorists are hiding everywhere, purposefully being obfuscated by the general population, with some amount of willing participation. Israel has been trying to combat this for decades while trying to not just flatten everything.
Israel does the same thing
Israel uses reserve forces and calls them civilians when they get attacked but then uses them as military forces when Israel needs. This is obfuscation.
Israel’s military bases are surrounded by hospitals, civilians houses, RAVES, etc
Palestine has been trying to combat this for decades while trying to not just flatten everything.
Israel has proven they can't conduct a counter insurgency. Arab volunteers probably won't be willing to sacrifice the substantial amount of soldiers required to conduct one. This is extremely far fetched.
Israel has completely blundered this and continues to do so.
Who said they have to be arab?
I seem to remember a video of a Hamas fighter firing a rpg from a hospital. Was that CGI? Hamas using hospitals, schools and mosques as hideouts is indisputable.
we once had someone claim in here that there were no hamas in some hospital - (((zionist))) lies etc - and also that IDF spent 6 days trying to gain entry into the same hospital before failing and running away. same poster.
They don’t though. Making up blatantly false claims isn’t the gotcha you think it is.
Maybe you’re confused idk, seems to be the case.
lets start from the top
which country has mandatory conscription for all of its citizens?
Is it Israel, or Palestine?
If you guessed Israel, you were right!
I'm not making up fake claims, your argument is simply using two different standards because your argument wants to support the IDF killing Palestinians without bad optics/feelings.
You dont think IDF has military bases in civilian areas? Cmon bro
HaKirya, or The Kirya (Hebrew: הַקִּרְיָה, lit. The Campus), is an area in central Tel Aviv, consisting of an urban military base north of Kaplan Street, and a civilian area south of it.
HaKirya contains the Tel Aviv District's government center and the major Israel Defense Forces (IDF) base Camp Rabin (Hebrew: מַחֲנֶה רַבִּין, Mahaneh Rabin), named for Yitzhak Rabin. It was one of the first IDF bases and has served as the IDF's headquarters since its founding in 1948. Located in a dense urban environment and closely surrounded by civilian infrastructure , the base serves mainly command, administrative, communications, and support functions.
Pretty funny how often the accusations are admissions. Once again the side supporting fascism is caught in its own ignorance.
It is a shame that close to a million palestinians have been killed in the last hundred years because white people are too **** stupid to use critical thinking.
we once had someone claim in here that there were no hamas in some hospital - (((zionist))) lies etc - and also that IDF spent 6 days trying to gain entry into the same hospital before failing and running away. same poster.
Boids, please take a timeout from this thread until 12 AM Eastern time. Posts like this are not acceptable, and I’ve warned the thread repeatedly.
I think he was saying someone else was saying things were zionist lies.
Is that not allowed?
lets start from the top
which country has mandatory conscription for all of its citizens?
Is it Israel, or Palestine?
If you guessed Israel, you were right!
I'm not making up fake claims, your argument is simply using two different standards because your argument wants to support the IDF killing Palestinians without bad optics/feelings.
You dont think IDF has military bases in civilian areas? Cmon bro
HaKirya, or The Kirya (Hebrew: הַקִּרְיָה
This is a troll right? Wait til you find out that the Pentagon was built near civilian infrastructure. I think you’re just not very educated on how Hamas conducts itself. The critical thinking jab is actual comedy.
This is a troll right? Wait til you find out that the Pentagon was built near civilian infrastructure. I think you’re just not very educated on how Hamas conducts itself.
this has to be a troll right? Wait until you find out that the Pentagons nearest adversary is not 5 miles away like Israel's is
Like I said, different rules so that people can justify the killing of Palestinians by the IDF
this has to be a troll right? Wait until you find out that the Pentagons nearest adversary is not 5 miles away like Israel's is
Like I said, different rules so that people can justify the killing of Palestinians by the IDF
Your level of knowledge on the conflict is way too low to even engage. Go educate yourself. Use some of those critical thinking skills and apply them to how Hamas conducts themselves compared to conventional militaries. I don’t have high hopes but maybe you’ll be able to contribute a single sensible post.
Your level of knowledge on the conflict is way too low to even engage. Go educate yourself. Use some of those critical thinking skills and apply them to how Hamas conducts themselves compared to conventional militaries. I don’t have high hopes but maybe you’ll be able to contribute a single sensible post.
Your level of knowledge about conventional militaries is way too low to even engage. Go serve in the military. Use some of those tough guy skills you have and apply them to your military experience. I don't have high hopes that you will do this, but perhaps there will be a day when you are no longer a civilian and you'll be able to debate the intricacies of conventional militaries with me.
DBF and PW, stop posting to each other about each other, or you’ll both be asked to leave the thread.
Israel has proven they can't conduct a counter insurgency. Arab volunteers probably won't be willing to sacrifice the substantial amount of soldiers required to conduct one. This is extremely far fetched.
Israel has completely blundered this and continues to do so.
I don't have a lot of faith in an COIN mission winning hearts and minds, but I don't see how Israel rebuilds without a full occupation. They're not gonna cut blank checks to Hamas or anyone who'll funnel the money to Hamas. They're gonna wanna handled the reparations themselves. And this isn't unreasonable.
Is Israel a trustworthy occupying power? No, but they might not have a choice other than to become one.
I don't have a lot of faith in an COIN mission winning hearts and minds, but I don't see how Israel rebuilds without a full occupation. They're not gonna cut blank checks to Hamas or anyone who'll funnel the money to Hamas. They're gonna wanna handled the reparations themselves. And this isn't unreasonable.
Is Israel a trustworthy occupying power? No, but they might not have a choice other than to become one.
I think they could accept a NATO mission, if it excludes countries that betrayed israel like Spain.
Or a UN mission if it excludes all antisemitic countries.
I wasn't joking when i mentioned India. A coalition of the brave of India, south korea, Italy, Germany and others who never for an instant dwindled in their defense of Israel right to exist and defend itself.
I think they could accept a NATO mission, if it excludes countries that betrayed israel like Spain.
Or a UN mission if it excludes all antisemitic countries.
I wasn't joking when i mentioned India. A coalition of the brave of India, south korea, Italy, Germany and others who never for an instant dwindled in their defense of Israel right to exist and defend itself.
Why would India be seen as a joke? It's the second-most populated country, the world's largest country with elections, and one of nine nuclear powers.
Why would India be seen as a joke? It's the second-most populated country, the world's largest country with elections, and one of nine nuclear powers.
cool so you agree, India could lead a military occupation of Gaza and the WB for the decades necessary to completely eradicate all extremism.
they also have experience dealing with Islamic terror which is a bonus
