Israel/Palestine thread
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Would you say to the people of North-Korea that if they ''wanted'' to live like this it's their prerogative?
Point 4 is what ever.
If people of NK had decades to emigrate and leave the country , financed by the west, you could very well claim that to those who chose to stay there yes.
Tell me you don't understand oppression without telling me you don't understand oppression.
The Gazans who could emigrate. Have.
They could all emigrate, we finance that. I am talking last 50 years not since 10 7 of course.
A palestinian would be automatically accepted as refugee in 50+ countries, unlike basically everyone else (except perhaps ukrainians today, and sirians a little while ago).
The UN would finance that with special funds (only population on the planet for which we do this) which means governments accept them automatically.
That's the reality of what happened for decades wrt palestinians.
Those who stayed, decided to stay.
I dont think Gazans agree with dunyain's narrative very much
hostage FREED
no word yet on how many hamas monsters had to die to make that happen, but hopefully it was a lot
They could all emigrate, we finance that. I am talking last 50 years not since 10 7 of course.
A palestinian would be automatically accepted as refugee in 50+ countries, unlike basically everyone else (except perhaps ukrainians today, and sirians a little while ago).
The UN would finance that with special funds (only population on the planet for which we do this) which means governments accept them automatically.
That's the reality of what happened for decades wrt palestinians.
Those who stayed, de
I don't know how true any of this is, I'm going to assume you're not lying. I was obviously talking about pre 10/7 as well.
I've read some stories, yes I know anecdotes bla bla bla, of people escaping Gaza pre 10/7. So it doesn't seem as easy as you make it out to be.
Those who stayed, decided to stay.
Again, I don't know how true this is. From what I've read/understood, it doesn't seem anywhere near this simple.
Where does the Western media admit this?
Again, do you know how epistemologically compromised you have to be to be carrying water for a group that intentionally is blowing up ships carrying 150,000 gallons of crude oil?
--This was intentionally done after the crew had already abandoned the ship from an earlier attack by the Houthis. Pure psychopathic destructive behavior. And of course we get everyones favorite war cry while it is happening.
from the very article that was linked earlier
but why?
do you understand that one hamas guy killed in combat makes like 4-10 more hamas guys due to recruiting efforts and BLOWBACK?
bc he can. its allowed and promoted. however even expressing mild relief that any soldiers who are murdering civilians by the dozens and raping to death prisoners even gets injured so they cant perform their duties faces a ban.
"escaping" Gaza lol.
uh? there is no dehumanizing, just a complete denial of the pallywood narrative that Gaza was a prison, that is implied in the word "escape".
It was easy to emigrate for all gazean residents. Easier than for most other people living in poor countries worldwide.
hostage FREED
no word yet on how many hamas monsters had to die to make that happen, but hopefully it was a lot
Boids, please take a timeout from this thread until 12 AM Eastern time for glorifying violence. It’s been stated repeatedly in this thread that it is not acceptable to openly wish for the deaths of others. It’s inflammatory and not conducive to this site’s guidelines.
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bc he can. its allowed and promoted. however even expressing mild relief that any soldiers who are murdering civilians by the dozens and raping to death prisoners even gets injured so they cant perform their duties faces a ban.
No. There is no room for glorifying violence in this thread from either side.
uh? there is no dehumanizing, just a complete denial of the pallywood narrative that Gaza was a prison, that is implied in the word "escape".
It was easy to emigrate for all gazean residents. Easier than for most other people living in poor countries worldwide.
Yes. I used that word on purpose. Not to imply prison, but to imply that just packing your bags and emigrating isn't exactly an accurate description of how Gazans have gotten out of Gaza pre 10/7.
I can't find anything that backs up what you're saying btw, this might be because anytime you look for something Gaza related it's just 2000 articles on the current war.
Yes. I used that word on purpose. Not to imply prison, but to imply that just packing your bags and emigrating isn't exactly an accurate description of how Gazans have gotten out of Gaza pre 10/7.
I can't find anything that backs up what you're saying btw, this might be because anytime you look for something Gaza related it's just 2000 articles on the current war.
I mean 2% of the population left in 2019 alone
But even if the article claims at the beginning it was hard before, gate to egypt was still open some days per month, you take that and leave.
2019, "a prison" (and this is from a very leftist source lol)
Among their parents' generation, many choose to stay. Older Palestinians have long-established families and careers in Gaza. University academics have stable salaries, and some entrepreneurs are investing in new ventures, like a historic home turned café-restaurant and a fancy new wedding hall on the Mediterranean shore for Gaza's booming wedding industry.
I mean 2% of the population left in 2019 alone
But even if the article claims at the beginning it was hard before, gate to egypt was still open some days per month, you take that and leave.
In recent years, this gate has been open only a couple of days every few months, as Egypt and Israel imposed a blockade to contain Hamas and keep militants from getting out
So far this year, Palestinians are the third-largest group after Afghans and Syrians to take the smuggling route across the Mediterranean Sea to Europe,
So you're just making **** up. It's absolutely no where near as easy as you make it out to be. That gate was opened after it seemingly was closed for FIVE whole years.
I mean 2% of the population left in 2019 alone
Absent official emigration statistics, experts in Gaza estimate 35,000 to 40,000 Gazans have left since mid-2018.
Come on.
Conclusion. Leaving Gaza is absolutely no where near as easy as Luciom pretends it is.
What a surprise.
Among their parents' generation, many choose to stay. Older Palestinians have long-established families and careers in Gaza. University academics have stable salaries, and some entrepreneurs are investing in new ventures, like a historic home turned café-restaurant and a fancy new wedding hall on the Mediterranean shore for Gaza's booming wedding industry.
I for one am shocked that people who have long-established families and careers choose to stay. SHOCKED.
But even if the article claims at the beginning it was hard before, gate to egypt was still open some days per month, you take that and leave.
You're just so dishonest it hurts. You don't just ''take that and leave''. The article literally says people have to wait who knows how long for their name to be announced.
I said it was easier than for everyone else from poor countries. So not a prison.
If a problem exists that applies to every other country as well, and you don't call those prisons, can't be used to call Gaza a prison either.
And again when they reach europe, palestinians have a huge edge, most countries automatically accept their asylun requests, something that is not true for basically any other nationality (again it's true currently for ukrainians, and was true for a while for syrian).
40k is 2% of Gaza betraise. article was in july 2019. That's 2% emigrated in 12 months.
Those who try the boats do so to reach EUROPE, where you basically win the jackpot and live with a permanent freeroll. Which btw is why people risk their lives to do that.
If you don't want to risk that you can go to turkey or elsewhere as a palestinian, and again get better treatment than other people.
Conclusion: you don't want to accept the basic, objective fact that people in Gaza pre 10 7 could leave, easier than people living in poor countries usually can, with better prospects because of the special refugee status given exclusively to palestinians worldwide (special funding for them), so those who stayed, chose to stay.
You can't accept this 100% real, proven fact because it runs counter your narrative.
TIL the Houthis are actually eco-terrorists trying to save the planet.
I for one am shocked that people who have long-established families and careers choose to stay. SHOCKED.
You're just so dishonest it hurts. You don't just ''take that and leave''. The article literally says people have to wait who knows how long for their name to be announced.
Ye not INSTANTLY lol, still you want to leave you can ****ing leave (until 10 7). Easier than if you want to leave say Congo ok?
Why would you leave Gaza if Israel’s destruction is imminent?
In a more serious tone, what kind of career does one have in a territory governed by a terrorist organization? Logic would be to get yourself and your loved ones as far away as fast as possible.
Not saying leaving Gaza is easy and there are probably some amount of people there who would leave if given an opportunity but don’t have the means.
Why would you leave Gaza if Israel’s destruction is imminent?
In a more serious tone, what kind of career does one have in a territory governed by a terrorist organization? Logic would be to get yourself and your loved ones as far away as fast as possible.
Not saying leaving Gaza is easy and there are probably some amount of people there who would leave if given an opportunity but don’t have the means.
Easier than if you are in Congo or Zimbabwe or say even Jordan, with the same resources if low.
