Israel/Palestine thread

So Sinwar and the Palestinians not only sank Hamas, but they brought the entire Hezbollah leadership down with them.

Go read everything Mark Fish writes. It's click-bait, and usually pretty disturbing.

Mark Fish does not speak for Israelis, or Israel. Like I said, MT-G is not the USA. Mark Fish is not Israel.

I don't claim it's biased against the west (yet?), i claim it's incredibly biased against Israel.

But anyway Israel isn't a signatory of the ICC and the idea that jurisdiction exists if i didn't delegate it to you is quite surreal.

The ICJ is a UN court so it has (nominal) jurisdiction over Israel but the UN are obscenely biased against Israel and in general we shouldn't delegate ANY power over us to countries behind us in the civilization curve, it's insane we did, we should stop it now, and it's good that countries act knowing the UN have no moral authority.

They know what they are doing. I have to give my congratulations to the pro Israel folks. This is a big win.

If they get Sinwar, and topple Khomeini, it'll be a heck of an outcome.

Bibi just keeps getting up from the 9 count.

Remember when they told us emphatically that Israel would just be in and out of North Gaza and everyone would be allowed back to their homes once Hamas was wiped out?

Be an absolute miracle if the war doesn't expand into Syria or Iran.

The whole point of the UN is to establish some form of quasi-diplomatic relations between powers that are in conflict, especially so the great powers. As a consequence, the UN oftentimes becomes a proxy conflict between those great powers, using the smaller countries as pawns.

Israel does get the short end of the stick here when it comes to the UN, but they are protected by US veto power. The ICJ is a little bit trickier but I doubt anything they do will find Israel guilty of war crimes. Most of the Middle Eastern countries probably know it’s not a good precedent to actually do anything against Israel because all of them would be in the Hague if Netanyahu gets sent there.

Still true, is Hamas completly eradicated? i don't think it is, so what's your claim here?

This is already a great outcome. The threat of 150K missiles fired at Israel from Hezbollah is over. Many of these missiles have been destroyed. The leadership has been eliminated. The plan for the war in the north was brilliant and well executed. Iran has lost it's great deterrent. It's no coincidence that the Supreme Leader has gone into hiding.

No doubt it's a great outcome, but I believe they are still firing missiles so the threat isn't completely over.

leadership being taken out doesn't eradicate the rest.

But if it becomes clear that you have a death sentence on you (and possibly your family) if you ever lead terroristical attempts against israel, it becomes harder to have scale on the terrorists side.

Then you need boots on the ground doing the eradication for a while , in Lebanon case it should be non-radical-muslim lebanese people with our financial help.

Trolly, if we ignore the attack on Israel that Oct 7th was, and the campaign underway, which has not yet come to a settled outcome., this was the reality BEFORE

"After the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel captured the Golan Heights, Sinai desert, West Bank, and Gaza Strip. The total area of these territories is approximately 70,000 square km. When Israel completed its return of the Sinai to Egypt as agreed in the peace treaty, it withdrew from nearly 90% of all the disputed territories. Since the signing of the Oslo Accords with the Palestinians, Israel has withdrawn from approximately 80% of the Gaza Strip and 40% of the West Bank. It also ceded a small swath of territory to Jordan as part of the peace treaty with that country. When taken together, Israel has now withdrawn from more than 93% of the territories won in the defensive war of 1967."

Draw whatever conclusion you'd like.

He has a point. There is still a lot that has to go right if we are going to uplift the Lebanese (and Syrian) people from under the IRI/Hezbollah boot that has been grinding them down for the last 40 years.

here we go .. rings of "they hate us for our freedom" narrative that was parroted before we attacked Iraq

right with any luck they can return to pre-Hezbollah days where they were being murdered by Israel. oh wait...

Well, I was thinking pre PLO days when Lebanon was a prosperous Christian majority nation that was a banking powerhouse and Beirut was dubbed "The Paris of the Middle East."

That being said, with the Lebanese Jews all being murdered and run out, and many Christian elites leaving for greener pastures-- and being supplanted by PLO and IRI sycophants; I am pessimistic there is enough human capital left to turn things around.

Will still be a major mistake for IDF to invade and it looks more and more like they're going to do it.

Really comforting to see Israel starting to hammer home its military advantage - I can't believe how stupid Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran were to attack Israel who are just another state of the US. Idiots.

You seem like you’re pretty tapped into what’s going on with the Lebanon offensive. What do you think the vision is for Israel as far as how they think things will go down after this power vacuum? Is there a possibility of some decent group coming in or is it all going to be civil war from here on?

I wouldn't trust anyone to predict that right now, I definitely can't.

I think it's safe to assume that Hezbollah is not going to cease to exist no matter what Israel does. They are too engrained in Lebanon's civil life and politics. Bibi knows this but he is incapable of thinking long term. Israel invading Lebanon might result in getting north Israel back to normal more quickly, but it will result in setting Israel back diplomatically, potentially kickstarting Hezbollah's recovery, and will either require an occupation which Israel can't succeed at or its results will be even extremely short term and resulting in even worse long term problems.

I think that where Israel is at right now is the best win they could hope for. I highly doubt there's some uprising resulting in kicking Hezbollah out of the country no matter what happens.

you see, this is how it gets normalized and accepted..

https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-82...

in a couple years this will be cited as fact by the warmongers here

is anyone in iran wondering whether this was all a waste of resources

im sure they get a bulk buy discount on the groovy yellow headbands, but 200,000 rockets cant be cheap and the return on investment so far is about 10 dead kids who werent even jewish

could that money have been better spent elsewhere?

There was a fear that Hezbollah could fire more rockets into Israel than Israel could shoot down. This threat seems to have been neutralized. Many of their large stockpile of rockets have been destroyed. This is a massive blow to Iran who has relied on the deterrence of Hezbollah to the north of Israel for their safety. I wouldn't doubt if we see cell phones and pagers blowing up in Iran soon.