Israel/Palestine thread

IDF is claiming he's dead.

don't mix legality and morality, especially when it's about "international law" which doesn't have any link to morals at all and it's rather a set of temporary agreements we can and should disregard when it suits us to do so.

"international law" lacking enforcement in many/most cases is NOT the same set of standards under which we conduct domestically (so called "rule of law"), has no special moral considerations attached, and doesn't make action moral or immoral by existing.

"international law" is written including the political opinions of some of the worst state actors globally, it is judged by kangaroo courts which include judges from those countries, it's a mockery of the rule of law.

I will complete disregard a set of rules that doesn't allow soldiers to do anything they can to achieve military outcomes against horrible opponents who attacked unprovokedly, the idea of our side being constantly scrutinized and criticized while it is acting with complete moral justification is an utter joke, especially given the other side acts in complete illegality from the day it constituted itself as a side (hezbollah and hamas have no right to exist).

seems like that wasnt a lie given that israel's strike has now been confirmed to have wiped out the leader of the terrorist organisation hezbollah and all of his close associates. its you that is lying.

95% of Hezbollah meetings don't involve direct terrorist attack planning, they are mostly peaceful

Because of Hezbollah, Lebanon has been under the thumb of the IRI for a long time, to its complete detriment. Hezbollah being weakened to the point the Lebanese govt has the relative power to stand up to the IRI would actually be a very big positive development for Lebanon. But I have no clue whether this is reality, or just wishful thinking.

And even if it is the current reality, Israel would have to make good on its promise of not allowing the IRI to re-organize and re-arm Hezbollah, for this reality to continue into the future.

And there is also the question of how much Hezbollah being weakened will affect the Assad-IRI-Russia regimes power over Syria, as Hezbollah is an important paramilitary component of the regime.

i hope your interpretation is true (secular lebanese Resistance to the terrorist organisation of hezbollah), but i think its more likely that israel told them that they'd shoot the plane down if it tried to land, and lebanon didn't want anything to do with that so told them to go home

this but unironically.

What an amazing speech by Bibi at the UN. Some are saying it's one of the greatest speeches by a leader ever.

Now the coward Supreme leader of Iran is trying to hide from the "Long arm of Israel".

Arab countries are terrified of Israel and currently trying to distance themselves from Hezbollah and Hamas.

The west should immediately offer a lot of cash and weapons to anti-hezbollah elements in Lebanon, this could be the time we let them make even for the decades of oppression, we should help that effort

While the rest of the world celebrates, I’m sure the predictable parties will be mourning Nasrallah’s passing and finding some way to spin this as an unforgivable transgression from Israel.

Iran isn't an Arab country

they dropped 80+ 2k pound bombs on residential buildings and killed 100s if not 1000s. ofc it was an immense crime.

I never said they were.

They got their guy!

I say well done!

Lebanese military is in Beirut. I guess they sense enough weakness that even they are willing to do something.

Crazy to think 2 weeks ago Nasrallah was straight up taunting Israel. From the pagers to this is such a quick series of events.

well the 500lb bombs will not penetrate the tunnels. Hmm I think living in a building that houses Hezbolah or Hamas fighters may not be a wise choice

If a child is killed in any of these bombings, I don't blame Israel, I blame the parents.

They shouldn't have been there.

The business of tunnel building in these terrorist havens has to be booming right now.

I dont know whether this is true or just wishful thinking. It is a high risk proposition, because if other groups try to take back the country from IRI and its Shiite sycophants and fail, there will be brutal reprisals. Palestinian militant groups also have a presence in Lebanon, which could side with the IRI supporters in a civil war.

Turkey could in theory play a positive role; but Erdogan has polarized himself so much with antisemetic rhetoric that he may feel he doesn't want to risk taking any action that can be perceived as pro Israel, even if it would also be highly beneficial to the people of Lebanon.

Well I am pretty surprised they got Nas, and that he didn't at least head north or was just taken out of there.

I'd imagine that Hamas's subterranean environment was a huge problem for Israel but I am not surprised that Nas's network got pummeled so quickly. Those organizations are militarily overrated and have always been purported as the boogeyman to scare folks - yes that includes Iran, but they aren't as dumb as Hez.

Yes, and Israel does include it as part of the calculation, it’s just not the only part. They’re not going to let civilians starve (look at the international aid efforts) but they’re also not going to just avoid attacking a particular target just because civilians are being used as human shields.

I get where you’re coming from, but a lot of people misunderstand international law as well. It’s not written in such a way that you can’t do anything militarily and that no civilian casualty is ever acceptable. And a lot of groups like Hamas violate international law whenever they dress up in civilian clothing for instance, or use civilian infrastructure as bases of operation without fully converting it into a delineated military base.

I think the rules as they stand are pretty decent, but the application is as you said. Part of that is that certain groups blur the lines between officially sanctioned militaries and paramilitaries.

But what you’re accusing the rest of the world of doing to the West is what the ICC for instance has been accused of doing in the past. All of the leaders that have been convicted by the ICC have been non-Western countries. So I don’t think international law is always biased against the West. Maybe when it comes to what happens in the UN, sure, but we (the US) also have a veto that we can use to make sure that nobody is condemned that we don’t want to have condemned.

actually gotta give Trolly props for calling this back in like December or whenever eons ago. many pro-Israeli people gave push back then. would they now?

https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-82...