Moderation Questions

You are right that the law or rule is not "proscribed", but it is not "prescribed" either. In both cases it describes conduct, not the law or rule itself.

Prescribe. You can (or must) do XXX.

Proscribe. You cannot do XXX.

In both cases, XXX is what is prescribed or proscribed. You don't prescribe or proscribe a rule, but the conduct memorialized in the rule.

I agree. "Stilted" was rather mild, it's incorrect. I guess I'm just saying it would make more sense than "proscribed", although not by much.

Apparently you think we would love to do it though.

Plus, I have never once expressed support for Israel, in any way.

I pointed out a problematic post by Trolly in this thread just yesterday, asked you about it, and you refused to answer. That was in the present.

It has not been fixed, as of yesterday.

I completely missed any post by Trolly. I’m sorry, can you show it to me again?

Rob, I also just want to ask you sincerely and from a problem solving perspective, do you believe me when I say that I am trying to be fair and honest with everyone?

If so, why take such an antagonistic tone with me when it would be SO much easier to be buddies who work together to resolve issues as a team and community?

I just messaged you yesterday saying that I think you are generally a good moderator and that you likely do try to be fair but that it is often tough for anyone to see their own biases, and some things shouldn't be done even just because of the possibile appearance of bias, like when a poster is banned by a mod who has expressed more animus towards that poster than I have ever seen here before.

I will remind you of the post but you didn't miss it at the time. It's the one The moderator from another thread said he would not have allowed, which seemed to annoy you.

I try my best not to be antagonistic, but after months to years of being attacked and mods ignoring my concerns, I get to a breaking point.

I don’t understand which rule you think that post violates? Maybe you can explain it to me.

Furthermore, I sent you proof in our PM exchange that Mets was banned by the moderator TEAM. Do you dispute that?

I have ALSO been transparent about my private conversations with Mets.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

Where is the “animus” in those messages, Rob?

*I* have never attacked you. *I* have never intentionally ignored you. You owe me an apology. As do several others ftr.

It's obviously a personal attack on me, and based on lies. D2 and I explained it in the posts, and the other mod agreed that it shouldnt be allowed.

Yes, I believe you that the mod team agreed to ban him. That is all the more reason why you shouldn't have been the one to pull the trigger.

You have previously stated that you were the one who actually put the ban in the system so you were the only one who removed it. Most of this conflict would have been avoided if one of the other mods had pulled the trigger and then told the forum "the mod team decided to ban Mets so I put the ban in the system".

He called *me* an antisemite so I was the one to ban him. I had told him over and over and over again to stop calling people antisemitic.

Yes, I banned him. He should have known that would happen based on what I showed you. None of the other mods want to deal with him; I was the last one.

And what is the personal attack? Explain it to me like I’m 5.

Argh, I didn't say there was animus in those messages.

From my post:

"a poster is banned by a mod who has expressed more animus towards that poster than I have ever seen here before."

You, Crossnerd, expressed severe animus towards Mets when you started participating a year or so ago.

You attacked him more personally and more ferociously than I have ever seen anyone do here. It was truly horrifying.

Someone already showed the post where you called him a "fascist little worm", and that was probably the mildest comment you made. Others seemed to be based on some kind of past relationship he had with a friend of yours, but I was never clear on that. It was clear that you thought he was a despicable person, and since that was the first thing I read from you, it seemed like you may have joined the discussion just to attack him.

Please read the previous posts and later posts, mostly from Trolly, d2, and me. If you still don't see what the problem is, I guess I can try to explain it further, but I don't understand how it isn't clear already.

cn, trolly's entire existence is to be as insulting as he possibly can while still remaining within the scope of the rules

it's frustrating when people who's sole purpose is to insult and antagonize are welcomed by mods whereas mets, whatever it was that he did, came out of passion and not a desire to be mean to others - as shown by the body of work of his 100k+ posts

Well, what's done is done now, but I doubt the other mods who didn't want to deal with him would have minded doing whatever was required to permanently ban him. I don't know the system, but I can't imagine it would have taken that much time or effort.

I called him a fascist worm one time in response to him calling my family fake Jews. I’ve undeleted any posts I’ve made toward Mets from before I was a mod. Feel free to cite.

I mean, here’s the thing. Victor and Mets were both given the same warning at the same time. Victor stopped calling people baby killers. Mets didn’t stop calling people antisemites. In fact, he went on several rampages that caused the thread to be closed more than once.

If Victor can be gone for a month and come back and not cause problems, that is fantastic.

If Mets can be gone for a month and come back and not cause problems, that would also be fantastic.

The issue is you guys are sort of leaning in to the issue that Mets is not causing problems, and also not listening to us when we tell you it’s true, so the odds of him returning are diminishing.

Not sure why you are wasting your time, Chill. When he does it, it isn't antagonistic, trolling, or personal attacks, but instead it is "sarcasm." And as our esteemed mod already told everybody when it comes to Trolly's behavior:

You aren't the first to make those complaints about Trolly. Browser let it slip once that he was one of the most frequently reported posters in this forum, and I highly doubt that has changed. He isn't going anywhere. The best thing you can do is just ignore him when he is trying to get a rise out of you. I guarantee seeing your complaints about him are making his night.

Right, it's on me to try to find posts were possibly deleted, when several people here have mentioned them.
Maybe someone else will back me up like what just happened.

I don't know how anyone finds anything on this system except by scrolling backwards, which I guess you expect me to do in every thread just in case the posts haven't been deleted.

I have no motive to lie about this. I don't even particularly like Mets. I think you're generally a good moderator when it comes to things other than this exact issue.
I just don't like being gaslit and all the mods constantly ignoring my concerns.

I mean, you said it was “horrifying”.

I undeleted the post Boids has referred to.

It says “Mets is not a parent”. You can search for it now.

As Mets' representative I cannot overstress how unfair it would be for Mets to not return due to posts made by Chillrob.

Maybe Mets might want me to make it clear that he is very much aware, as are you, that it was moderation TEAM decision after multiple warnings from the mod TEAM?

Would he like to do that, LB? Would you?

Yes, I remember that, but no one of even slightly below average intelligence couldn't easily see that the kind of thing I complained about is "just sarcasm". Plus it is very easy to see that he is only here to insult people, not to contribute to the discussions.

As said above, posters like Mets and, even more heinously, like Victor do go over the line, but it seems to be from passion about an issue, and they both often contribute towards discussions. Trolly's ONLY reason to be here is to attack and insult. It's even in his name! I think that should easily be a reason for a permaban, and I truly can't understand why any mod who has ever been here would allow him to continue.

cn i haven't witnessed the aids of i/p so have no idea what had happened

i'm just saying that guys like mets are regular people who are normally good posters and good people who interact with others well who may just be dealing with an issue that they feel extremely passionate about

whereas trolly is just a worthless troll every single day and has never been anything other than that - i've had him on block for years