Moderation Questions
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Moderation Questions

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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why do we always end up here


by Luciom m

Like high IQ rewards are higher than ever currently. In the past very often you were better off selecting a healthy but stupid sexual partner. Nowadays because of various reasons, high IQ low health and low physical dexterity/strength individuals can be very successful (resource wise).

lol, it's never been easier for low-IQ chuds like yourself to reproduce and survive, this take makes zero sense.

by jchristo m

why do we always end up here

Seriously, can we move the social darwinism claptrap to the science subforum? What is any of this doing in this thread?


by jchristo m

why do we always end up here

She said incels being selected out of the genetic pool is evolution working as intended (correct).

Maybe we always end up there because objective reality is there.


by Trolly McTrollson m

Evolutionary pressure doesn't disappear just because an organism is well-adapted to its environment. How humans will evolve in the future, I have nfi, but I'm sure Kelhus has all kind of exciting theories about that.

It seems very likely to reduce evolutionary pressure by a lot when an organism can change its environment to meet its needs, rather than needing to change to adapt to environmental changes.


by Luciom m

Yes yes a living relative can be pro fitness for approximate genetic relatives true I was trying to simplify the thing (because it can also be a cost, think the drunk addict uncle and the mother struggling to help him AND her children)

Sure. I never specified what sort of influence. Personally I wouldn't consider a good influence to be one that lined up with high evolutionary fitness. Human genes made the horrible evolutionary mistake of letting us think.


by jchristo m

People also shouldn't have to suffer condescending pricks but here we are

No one is forced to suffer anything here.


by chillrob m

It seems very likely to reduce evolutionary pressure by a lot when an organism can change its environment to meet its needs, rather than needing to change to adapt to environmental changes.

You don't REDUCE evolutionary pressures, you CHANGE them.

You still end up with, in every generation, some people reproducing a lot, some a little, some not reproducing at all.

That's evolution, whatever makes you reproduce more will become more widespread and vicerversa.

Keep in mind that the totality of behavioral attitudes are inheritable at least some.


by Luciom m

Nope social darwinism is thinking "it is good" if the current societal arrangement selects against some specific genes.Evolution isn't arrested in highly successful population. What is arrested is fitness improvement because they are already close to the current environmental asymptote.You happen to describe mutations as the core of evolution. They are relevant, and very occasi

While higher IQ individuals may be more desirable as sexual partners, a very complicating factor is that we now understand how offspring is created and can control that nearly perfectly (at least among higher IQ members of an advanced society).

I think this is leading to higher IQ people having fewer offspring than others. The beginning of Idiocracy seems real to me.


by Dee-Equalizer m

Ure such a libdonk

I had no idea what one of those was, so I looked it up:


Curious description for me. 26 inches or more sounds about right though, how did you know?

Edit: oops, I misread that, I see it was "libdonk". Oh well.


by chillrob m

The beginning of Idiocracy seems real to me.

Been in a coma for the last 9 years, huh?


What's going on with lagtight?


by Trolly McTrollson m

lol, it's never been easier for low-IQ chuds like yourself to reproduce and survive, this take makes zero sense.

Seriously, can we move the social darwinism claptrap to the science subforum? What is any of this doing in this thread?

What a ridiculous post. Regardless of how you feel about Luciom, he's clearly not low-IQ.

There has also been no current discussion here of who deserves to reproduce except by our lone female.
She's also the one who got this topic going.


Wb washoe, where you been?


by d2_e4 m

Been in a coma for the last 9 years, huh?

If you mean that the later parts of the movie are real as well, I agree things seem to be moving in that direction, but at least we aren't killing our plants with Gatorade.


by Luciom m

You don't REDUCE evolutionary pressures, you CHANGE them.

You still end up with, in every generation, some people reproducing a lot, some a little, some not reproducing at all.

That's evolution, whatever makes you reproduce more will become more widespread and vicerversa.

Keep in mind that the totality of behavioral attitudes are inheritable at least some.

Maybe it's just a terminology difference, but I don't think of evolution due to sexual selection as being an evolutionary pressure. But maybe I should have said environmental pressures.


by chillrob m

Maybe it's just a terminology difference, but I don't think of evolution due to sexual selection as being an evolutionary pressure. But maybe I should have said environmental pressures.

It actually is semantically and definitionally.

and sexual selection is always a major part of the environment if not the most important part of the environment at all times for mammals


by chillrob m

Maybe it's just a terminology difference, but I don't think of evolution due to sexual selection as being an evolutionary pressure.

What? Why wouldn't it be?

by chillrob m

There has also been no current discussion here of who deserves to reproduce except by our lone female.
She's also the one who got this topic going.

Wrong and wrong.


by Trolly McTrollson m

What? Why wouldn't it be?

Darwin himself differentiated between natural selection and sexual selection. I've read a lot about evolution, and I've never heard the term "evolutionary pressure" applied to sexual selection. It's just a terminology difference though.

Who has talked about who "deserves" to reproduce other than Crossnerd?


by Luciom m

She said incels being selected out of the genetic pool is evolution working as intended (correct).

Evolution doesn't "intend" to work any kind of way.


by Luciom m

It actually is semantically and definitionally.

and sexual selection is always a major part of the environment if not the most important part of the environment at all times for mammals

I find it more useful to think of the actions of individual organisms differently than the environment they live in.


by chillrob m

Darwin himself differentiated between natural selection and sexual selection. I've read a lot about evolution, and I've never heard the term "evolutionary pressure" applied to sexual selection. It's just a terminology difference though.

This might help ya:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutiona...

Who has talked about who "deserves" to reproduce other than Crossnerd?

Where did she say anything about who "deserves" to reproduce? XN stated that incels aren't going to be in the gene pool long, which seems true by definition. But that's not a moral judgement, just an obvious consequence of not being able to have sex.


Life, uh, finds a way


by chillrob m

I find it more useful to think of the actions of individual organisms differently than the environment they live in.

yes? but OTHER individuals ARE the environment especially for social species.

you aren't going to thrive as an individual of a social species if other individuals all hate you for example


by Rococo m

Evolution doesn't "intend" to work any kind of way.

as intended semantically by us when we use that word.

you don't reproduce, your genes aren't part of the gene pool anymore, "evolution selected you out".


by Trolly McTrollson m

This might help ya:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutiona...

Where did she say anything about who "deserves" to reproduce? XN stated that incels aren't going to be in the gene pool long, which seems true by definition. But that's not a moral judgement, just an obvious consequence of not being able to have sex.

Thanks for the link. It says "Evolutionary pressure, selective pressure or selection pressure is exerted by factors that reduce or increase reproductive success in a portion of a population, driving natural selection [as opposed to sexual selection] "

If you truly can't tell that everything Crossnerd says about men contains moral judgment than your reading skills could use some work. Of course I know you are just trying to justify your prior bad faith statements, as always.

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