War in CEE

I don't want to know the people who fall for Russia being the country worried about Nazism, and it's spread, looking to end it.

Was literally just talking about this w/ my wife and the fact Denmark was just dealing w/ Russian drones at it's airports. Not to mention everything that's heating up in Poland.... Poland for fks sake... does anyone read history anymore?

I read about what the Ukrainian Banderites did in Poland.

Anyway, there's already a NATO vs Russia proxy war thread.

This one is not about proxy. I’m discussing direct, open conflict

What Russia did is the following- they financed right wing garage parties in EU for 10-20 years, some of them even entered parliaments in their countries, plus in the recent years they influenced less intellectually gifted internet users to the point that they repeat Russian-driven, right wing slogans for free. That’s nazism Russia wants to fight. PS I’m writing from Warsaw

Russia doesn't care about fighting Nazism. They're running out of bullets. Russia cares about justifying expanding their war effort to the Russian people so they'll make more bullets instead of going to the movies. Otherwise they'll have to start backing down their efforts in Ukraine by the end of the year, which everyone knew they would have to do. NATO gave Putin an out to save face on that with a treaty but he doesn't seem interested in slowing things down.

Putin will restore the orthodoxy or die trying and he doesn’t care who he takes down with him

From which floor !

The Nazis did things to Russia more damaging than anything that has ever happened to the U.S. or to any country in the entire history of wars and countries. And it was the Russians who defeated the Nazis, really. The losses Russia suffered at the hands of the Nazis and the pride they have in having defeated the Nazis are hugely significant parts of the Russian character and identity.

Do you really not know this?

Or are you just taking the lead from Trump and the say-anything crowd. Just say up is down to troll people or something?

Let me guess you are also pro Israeli and go around saying burning children to death how Israel is doing prove they are the pinnacle of human rights. I don't know what party you support, but you either think Trump is a genius or Biden is cognitively great.

You ok, like in general? Would you consider reading some books?

I am for massive wealth redistribution, but I can see how people think welfare is bad and engenders dependency.

I believe in feminist principle as a natural outgrowth of freedom, but I can see why some people think women should be slut shamed given that, for most of our existence as humans, this was the one of the few measures people could take to have more confidence of paternity.

I am pro choice, but I can certainly see how anti-abortionists can see abortion as a slippery moral slope (they really do it to prevent women's sexual liberation but I can play along with the moral argument).

But people who think Russia is trying to take over the world via land wars...I honestly don't see how anyone can be so stupid as to think this. I don't think more than 5% of people who say this actually believe it. This is like some kind of pre-enlightenment thinking on par with belief in witches or that when there is an eclipse it's because the moon won it's epic battle with the sun that day. I have to think no functioning adult believes Russia plans to invade Poland and are just saying it repeatedly because they work in the weapons industry and want it to be true so bad.

I've read several books on contemporary Russia, but not a single one was written by some moron kiss ass aspiring congressional staffer Tracy Flick type parasite who turned their worthless PhD thesis into government propaganda in order to demonstrate loyalty to the deep state. I will not read such books or listen to any 30 year old who had no idea where Ukraine was before 2022.

If you want to talk about career Russia experts and their works before 2022 then I'm open.

I’ve been to Kiev and Bucha on 10.02.2022 and tried to warn people after return, I was mostly laughed at. Your anger indicates that either your strong beliefs were properly shaken by me and that’s why you trippin or, somehow, you dumb.

Substitute the Russian Government or Putin for Russia in what I wrote.

Yes I tend to forget the tendency of the NATO dead enders to oversimplify a large technologically advanced nuclear superpower into one man, one demon unliterally imposing his ill will on the world. I shouldn't forget because the "to the last Ukrainian" crowd are so insanely persistent in your propaganda. But maybe I'm just the eternal optimist who thinks people cannot possibly be so stupid as to believe in such fairy tales.

Welp.... I hate to spoil it, but they are doing these things. And it's not a matter of Russia doing this by themselves of course. It's about the axis they are aligning w/ China, Iran, N. Korea, etc... China and N. Korea are just waiting for their opening, and if Russia can break American democracy, they will eventually seize on this window.

This is happening right now as I type. How successful they can be, is probably unrealistic... but that's not the fkn point my friend.

If Russia ever had serious intents on going to war with NATO, I'm thinking they would have done so before taking close to a million casualties, losing a ton of their most modern equipment, etc. I mean sure they have long range bombers and drones, so they could technically carry out some strikes or whatever but to what strategic end. As I said, they're about out of bullets and the whole world knows it. What Russian needs more than anything now is peace.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

Have you considered that wealth, commodities etc can be acquired in one of two ways - firstly, by running country’s economy, secondly - by leading it war. I agree with your description of Russia’s current situation, but what it HAS TO end up with eventually, is - in my opinion- the contrary.

they’ll be sending first plane soon imo

Russia isn’t so much a country with an energy industry as a giant energy conglomerate with a country attached. Ukraine’s own reserves threatened to become a rival gas station chain. That’s why Russia invaded Ukraine. Poland, or any NATO state for that matter, offers no such payoff. Putin isn’t probing NATO to invade. His goal is to run out the West’s endurance to get a better deal than we’re offering. To do that, he needs Russians to buy into a wartime economy to extend his 10-day war until the West gives him what he wants. Take the gloves off, 10 days is probably about all it would take for NATO to obliterate what's left of Russia's conventional forces. Putin knows that.

I dunno, they still havent obliterated Hamas, Hezbollah, or AnsarAllah.

I agree with all you said, except that I think that we shouldn’t conveniently omit the scenario when he doesn’t get what he wants and baits NATO into battle and there’s one reason you didn’t mention- yes, there’s no more conventional warfare left, but he has so, so many thermonuclear warheads that can be used to compensate for decimating HIV battalions, and it’s not impossible

No offense, but so far you're pointing out all the obvious things in this thread.

Russia doesn't really want to fight Nazism.

Ideally they shouldn't have tested international response so much in Ukraine, etc...

Russia never intended to go to war directly w/ NATO. They are in an "active measures" long war here aimed at testing alliances and, and breaking western democracies. The bigger question is how much do they weaken these and get other allies involved. They are not going to push until these other first steps are complete, but to ignore that it's happening is ignorant imho. These are there goals. They aren't doing them for no reason, so you have to at least ask, why?