War in CEE

War in CEE

Most of the info I came across suggests that an open conflict between Russia and NATO will break out soon (like now). I

25 September 2025 at 11:21 PM
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by TheKnight00

Calm down was a simple question.

How many Jews do you think died in the Holocaust? I'm seeing about 5.9-6.1 million range?


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/rus...

Russia's industrial titans furlough workers as its war economy stalls

Cemros – Russia’s largest cement maker moved to a 4-day week until year-end to preserve 13,000 jobs across 18 plants. Demand dropped due to reduced construction and increased cement imports from China, Iran, and Belarus.

Russian Railways – With 700,000 employees, asked central-office staff to take three unpaid days off per month because shipments of coal, metals, and oil have fallen.

GAZ (Gorky Automobile Plant) – 4-day week began in August; later returned to 5-day week in October. Employs at least 20,000 people.

Kamaz – Truckmaker with 30,000 employees, also moved to a 4-day week starting August.

Avtovaz – Russia’s biggest carmaker with about 40,000 employees. Began 4-day week on September 29.


by John21

”We'll you used long range missiles on our capital's grid so we used them on Moscow." Bye Ukraine. Highly escalatory.

This is the very reason I stated this thread. It’s inevitable


by formula72

How many Jews do you think died in the Holocaust? I'm seeing about 5.9-6.1 million range?

Agreed with 6 million.

I’ll also say I have a tremendous amount of respect for the millions of Jews, who fought bravely for the Soviet Union, the British empire, and the United States of America. As they fought against the Nazis not only from Germany but they’re allies/collaborators


by QtangPendek

Hardly a simple answer. Maybe you don’t, but some people apply beliefs to facts and that makes me beyond mad. Sorry for my outburst

There’s no problem thank you. It’s because you did bring up World War II and the poster you responded to was making some clear cut points about the horrors of Nazism and how the Soviet people had to deal with that.

I brought up the holocaust because I believe there are still a small percentage of people in the world who don’t believe that it happened or who Support Hitler.


by QtangPendek

This is the very reason I stated this thread. It’s inevitable

It's not inevitable. You've seen how countries at war escalate right before they're ready to negotiate an end, in the hopes of getting a better deal. And you know how our Negotiator in Chief thinks. Didn't Trump say a couple weeks ago that he thought the Ukraine could defeat Russia?


by John21

It's not inevitable. You've seen how countries at war escalate right before they're ready to negotiate an end, in the hopes of getting a better deal. And you know how our Negotiator in Chief thinks. Didn't Trump say a couple weeks ago that he thought the Ukraine could defeat Russia?

I get you but trump is trump. He repeats “deal” or “no deal” alternately, like in a shark tank, depending on who offers him more, Europe or Russia. He’s like a prettiest hoe at bachelor party


He’s weak and doesn’t have that much leverage on Putin like he had on Hamas with what nethanyahu did in Gaza up to this point, also, knowing trump business history Im afraid Russians might somehow outplay him


Generals win battles; economies win wars. You don't reduce manufacturing capacity if you're planning on starting ww3, just the opposite.

So unless his hand gets forced, I think the odds are he's either ready to deal or he's going to keep grinding it out.


by John21

Generals win battles; economies win wars. You don't reduce manufacturing capacity if you're planning on starting ww3, just the opposite.

So unless his hand gets forced, I think the odds are he's either ready to deal or he's going to keep grinding it out.

Russia will spend 40% of its 2026 GDP on war. That was officially signed by Putin this year


by QtangPendek

Russia will spend 40% of its 2026 GDP on war. That was officially signed by Putin this year

40% of the government's budget not gdp


by John21

40% of the government's budget not gdp

You’re right, sorry, but next year it might turn out that I was right too




I found that quote in Russian and translated it through PutinSpeak: "Don't give Ukraine Tomahawks."


by John21

I found that quote in Russian and translated it through PutinSpeak: "Don't give Ukraine Tomahawks."

Yep. Thats how it works. Also:



by John21

Tit for tat doesn't apply when you're fighting a nuclear superpower who could melt you. And we're thinking about giving Ukraine some Tomahawks? "We'll you used long range missiles on our capital's grid so we used them on Moscow." Bye Ukraine. Highly escalatory.

Russia is not a superpower, it is a failing state, and it cannot use nuclear weapons, even supposing it can find some that still work after many years of neglected maintenance, because of the threat of diplomatic and economic isolation in the event of 'first use' against Ukraine or massive annihilating retaliation in the event of a strike on NATO soil.


by 57 On Red

Russia is not a superpower, it is a failing state, and it cannot use nuclear weapons, even supposing it can find some that still work after many years of neglected maintenance, because of the threat of diplomatic and economic isolation in the event of 'first use' against Ukraine or massive annihilating retaliation in the event of a strike on NATO soil.

Sure Russia isn't capable of projecting much force relative to the West. But this is Russia and the Russians will fight to the death if you attack their homeland.

That's why the op is feaking out. The only reason I posted that stuff about their nukes was to show him why I don't believe Putin is looking for war. That shouldn't be read as me thinking they won't shove if Moscow is attacked. I have zero doubt they will.

Hers my prediction if Ukraine attacks their grid: Russia will hit Kiev with tactical nukes if that is their only option to stop them from waging war against Russia, Putin will tell the West that Ukraine is part of Mother Russia and any more attacks on Russia will be considered an act of war by the West and give them 30 days to get their stuff and Ukrainians out of Mother Russia. Sanctions, lol.

Your move tough guys.


Yes that’s What I’m thinking too, although not Kiev but western, strong anti-Russia part of ukraine, hopefully not Lviv but they might as it’s a polish city, in Ukraine since after WW2 but of polish origin. Also, if someone thinks that lack of maintenance could prevent some totalitarian gov from using nukes, well, that person musth be either cognitively undeveloped or British


“Vladimir Vladimirovich, with all due respect, I report that we cannot fire this missile cause it lacks proper stamps, sir.”


This one i just wrote on fb to some guy that tried to prove that conquering Ukraine is -EV for Putin: “ I'm afraid you missed the point. Aside from Putin not wanting Ukraine joining European Economic Area (EEA), and giving Ukraine to the west like USSR gave up Poland in the 90s, with NATO military troops relocated to its area, there's also one extremely important factor that you completely disregarded - and it's not coal mines etc. in Donbas - but slaves. Labor is an underlying economic benchmark, money are made up, only commodities and labor are real. People are slaves in general and the more people you control the more powerful your ruling is. Side costs are irrelevant”


Just hypothetically, as Ukraine merely acts as a mercenary fighting with Russia for the collective west, and Putin only fears one thing and one thing only - a retaliatory nuke attack, what if he uses this clown to do this? Hypersonic ballistic missile travels at 10Ma, it’s 10 minutes yes? Russia would be “clear” then. This is just a hypothetical example, I don’t support it contrary to what I wrote earlier



Why not I mean?



by QtangPendek

This one i just wrote on fb to some guy that tried to prove that conquering Ukraine is -EV for Putin: “ I'm afraid you missed the point. Aside from Putin not wanting Ukraine joining European Economic Area (EEA), and giving Ukraine to the west like USSR gave up Poland in the 90s, with NATO military troops relocated to its area, there's also one extremely important factor that yo

You're kind of ignoring the $15-$25 Trillion in natural resources Ukraine is sitting on top of.

Hard to guess how everything would play out if Russia annexed Ukraine but theoretically Russia could maybe increase its gdp by 25-50% over the next decade.


by John21

You're kind of ignoring the $15-$25 Trillion in natural resources Ukraine is sitting on top of.

Hard to guess how everything would play out if Russia annexed Ukraine but theoretically Russia could maybe increase its gdp by 25-50% over the next decade.

Yes, he acknowledged resources so I diminished their significance to highlight the people, I’m fully aware of its significance. Yes, not only conquering Ukraine is a massive gain for him but losing Ukraine to EU would be like losing Baltic states for USSR - a collapse. Ukraine was only theoretically independent up to now, majority of its business was conducted by Russia or with Russia. Ukraine has about 40 mln ppl, while Russia 140. It’s like sitting on a 18bb stack pre, you don’t fold after previously committing 4bb


Meanwhile in Polish commanders school (not troops, but officers). Pawns are said to “reinforce strategic thinking” and “ease making fast decisions under pressure”


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