2025 Las Vegas Summer Series - non-WSOP

Looking forward to the Orleans series. They have "bankroll builders", which are like mega satellites. Hundred to enter, win a thousand when 10% are left. I miss WSOP satties far more than I thought I would.

WSOP had these too. At $240 and $580 everyday.

It’s really sad that all schedules are published later and later year after year. I know it mainly comes from the late WSOP schedule and all other venues set theirs accordingly after they know what the WSOP does, but I really don’t see any upside by the WSOP to have it this late.
What is the big deal to just have it ready by New Years? It’s not that there are huge changes every year which have to be considered…

Anyway, I really look forward to the small buy in series at Resorts World (hopefully a little more interesting tournaments than last year) and the Golden Nugget series.
I also liked the tournaments at the Orleans, they even had some Mixed Events as well.

Little over 230000 registered entries for 2024 WSOP series!

I don’t think any other competitor casino had even 5% attendees in their series during the June/July of 2024 .

So whatever the reason for WSOP’s sick mind to delay the tournament schedule to hide from Other casino is baseless.

Can’t wait for the summer already! Wish it was May already.

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Just start/end date for Orleans Summer Open, May 23rd - July 13th.
No details yet.
https://x.com/OrleansPokerRo1/status/189...

orelans said they would dpost when everyone els eis reay to post theirs or so i thought i read. they said in a few weeks. so hopefully soon

Again, really weird to wait instead of just publishing it…

No schedule from Aria, MGM, Venetian, Wynn, Resorts World, Golden Nugget and as said Orleans yet.

Was just looking at venetians 2024 schedule to get an idea. I want to go play a few lower buy in tournaments at wsop but my buddy is perma banned (self exclusion by wife so if anyone has any ideas how to get him reinstated id really appreciate it) so he'll probably be playing at wynn/venetian. But I see their tournaments are almost all 1100 or 1600 which is steep for their structure imo. It's not unplayable or anything but was hoping for something better from an 1100 than 30k/30 min. I dunno, I'm a structure snob.

If anybody knows anything else (saw Orleans but they're turbos) please let me know. And I'm going to write a letter on his behalf to Caesars but if anybody has ever gotten or seen anybody get out of a self exclusion let me know, yes he's an idiot.

I am looking for some good events at the Wynn and Aria.

As a general rule, Wynn and Venetian multi-day events are going to have at least 40 minute levels. I just checked last summer's schedules. Unless I missed something, there was only one multi-day event at those venues with 30 minute levels (an $1100 at Wynn from 5/28-5/31). Memorial Day weekend was very good last year with a $600 at Wynn and an $1100 at Venetian that each had 40 minute levels. Venetian also had an $1100 multi-day in the middle of June (6/11-6/13). If those prices are too steep, there's always the satellite route. Wynn often runs milestone satellites in the PM for their bigger stuff.

The problem in summer time is that these venues ratchet up their prices to meet the increase in demand, so while you may see $250-400 stuff in the "offseason", they rarely run any multi-day events below $1100 in the summer. Still, there's likely to be some stuff in the $1100-1600 price range. Beyond that, maybe look into other venues. Golden Nugget ran a $600 multi-day last year (6/20-6/23), which I believe was 40 minute levels. I intended to play it, but went in a different direction. I don't have info for Orleans on my phone, but I'm guessing they have at least one big/slow multi-flight offering in that price range.

supposedly they wait for wsop to see how to synch their schedule and go from there once they know spacing and availability,

the thing I agree with is why it takes like 4 weeks after wsop to iron it out , i assume it was due to logistics and staffing/events and whatnot

More and more people are clamoring for one day events so likely you'll see more of those over 2 day events.

Orleans is going to wait so they don't have to change since they're going to schedule around venetian, wynn, and aria as well.

Orleans will have some deep stacked ones and probably a couple multi-day ones. The deepstacked ones are similar to their daily Friday night and Sunday afternoon dailies. Maybe 10 hours, longer with bigger fields.

Most venues have to fight for extra space/dealers for the summer in order to hold series. In addition to the logistical planning necessary to expand their operations, this requires approvals from higher ups who don’t typically care about poker or the needs of poker players. So it takes time to iron things out. Add to that the time to get marketing involved and you can see why it takes so long.

Hard to know the reason by looking from the outside. What we do know is they released their schedule as much as two months earlier in the past. Has the logistical challenge really increased that much?

Would it surprise anyone to learn they delay the release of their schedule for competitive reasons? I mean, they did purposefully schedule an event in the Bahamas to take a dent out of a premier WPT series.
By releasing late, they make it difficult for anybody to even try and compete, as opposed to just taking advantage of WSOP spillover.

Yeah, but Orleans has been running a summer series for years. Given they broke records with last years series, they should've known they were doing it this year too. A long time ago.

BUT Orleans does some stupid things in their poker department. Like you can't register until an hour before it starts. If you don't get in line to reg until they actually open reg, you will be an alternate and miss the early hands. Which almost forces you to get into a line that doesn't move for a half hour. Waiting in lines really pisses me off. It wastes part of my short remaining life. Every other place that I've played a tournament allows early reg by more than one hour.

When I asked floor and registration people about this idiotic policy, more than once, the answer I got was:
"We've always done it this way." They sound like government employees, that need a dose of DOGE.

I only go to other series if there is great offering.

Like Big guarantee , reasonable buy-in.

It’s hard to find any competing series under $400.

In that case I will stay with WSOP dailies.

If I look at last year numbers, this is what I found! :

Participants number is on average

Venetian $600. ( 100-150 players)

Wynn. $600 ( 200-225 players but big guarantees $300k bring out over 1300 players)

Orleans $250 but only 100-150 participants

Aria.$600-$800 Good numbers of participants 400-500.

MGM Grand $400 . Good numbers (400-600) if there is a guarantee of 100 k or more.

That is probably spot on but I thought Orleans players were significantly weaker and worse than at the other venues, so I didn’t mind the smaller fields.

Personally, I don't care about guarantees. Would be happy to win a 100 person event. Would be happy to win a 1000 person event.

More entries means higher prizes, but also a lot more variance. I don't see one side as inherently better.

Guarantee is only relevant to me when there's possible overlay.

Why are you comparing events that have very little in common with eachother (guarantees, starting flights, number of days, etc)?

Not a fan of the Nugget's grand series? They're generally in the $250-600 range depending on the event. And their thurs-SaT series have 9 starting flights that usually get the total entrants close to 2k, and you're looking at a softer field than the other properties you mentioned(with the exception of Orleans, I find the competition pretty similar).

How good are the daily structures at wsop ? I heard they were pretty bad year after year but not sure