2025 Las Vegas Summer Series - non-WSOP

The overall level is not very good in general for both, but in the WSOP dailies, you really find all types of players. There are very mediocre players who just want to play a tournament that gives them the feeling of being in a WSOP event, as well as players who usually play WSOP events and happen to be available that day or have just busted out of an event, etc. It's very heterogeneous. I've really seen all kinds of players there. And the variance is huge considering the number of players and the very fast structure.

On the other hand, at the RW daily, it's very bad. There's a significant portion of players who are already out after just 1 or2 levels because for them, top pair is the nuts. That's why if you are on alternate you'll enter the tournament quite fast.

I also witnessed a lot of people entering the WSOP DDS and moving all in their first hand played, trying to double up quick...sometimes multiple times. I wish i could burn money like that.

Having played quite a bit of both, I'd disagree that the Daily Deepstacks are tougher than a RW summer series event.

It's a pretty comparable level IMO. I would not consider either to be particularly tough compared to other venues.

The nightly $400 at Horseshoe can sometimes get some very strong players though since they may jump in after busting an AM event. That is the toughest DDS for sure.

You don't really see a lot of the reg types firing the 1PM $250 though.

what woud yolur advice be if i was playing the DD

i assume you have decnt number of play first 2-3 levels then youre sitting at like 15BB come level 5?

That's really dumb to risk the entire tournament entry fee to end up with 80k chips when it takes probably a million at least to make the FT. Although advertising how much of a donkey you are could pay off for a little while.

I honestly don't think mathematically it's a good play. The times you double early don't make up for the times you drop 250 and I don't feel (at least for me) those extra chips at the beginning are helping THAT much. Depends on the type of player you are i suppose. Enough strategy.

I played the wsop daily twice last year, fwiw the structure is average. I think 25k 30 min, mostly typical levels. Competition wasn't anything special, a few terrible players, 1 or 2 solid players. Basically a mix of a 1-2 and 2-5nl game. I'm looking to play somewhere else and will target Orleans maybe this time even though it's same structure. Wynn dailies are the same but I appreciated how they ran their tournament.

The worst thing about the Daily Deepstacks is, for me, that if you run deep, you're wrecked for the next day. They've moved it to start earlier in the day so it might not be as bad now, but ending play at 3 or 4 am, then eating something (no dinner break, remember) forget those 10 am bracelet events for the next day. That's why I haven't played one in a few years. I've done the seniors Wednesday events, but not the big early ones any more.

They completely suck for this reason. Big fields are cool for multi-day events, but yeah let's destroy an entire day so we can run deep in a daily. No thanks. Best thing they could so is make them a freezeout.

They completely suck for this reason. Big fields are cool for multi-day events, but yeah let's destroy an entire day so we can run deep in a daily. No thanks. Best thing they could so is make them a freezeout.

I disagree with you both. These factors that you describe as impediments, namely the big fields in a 1-day event and the late finishes, these are actually the attractions of the DD tournaments. It is these features that make them different from the vast array of other Holdem tournaments across the city at this time. And I guess that it’s generally accepted that feeling <100% the next day is a small price to pay for the rewards of running deep in any 1000 runner event.

Although the DDs don’t get quite the attendances that they did some years ago, they remain very popular, which suggests that a lot of people feel they way I do about them. They are a vital part of the summer fare. I resolve every year to play them more often, but in practice it’s only the seniors DDs that I play regularly.

I'm okay getting low sleep if it means making a final table. 2-3AM isn't that late by poker standards, and the tournaments can't stand to be much shorter without becoming complete bingo. If you run good and bink big in a one-day event, there's no law that says you need to play something the next morning. You can sleep in.

There's effectively no tournament poker happening in LV before 10AM anyway. That's a big cushion. 2AM isn't late if you won't need to play again until 10 or 11AM the next day. That gives plenty of time for sleep, though sometimes adrenaline seems to have different ideas after a good result.

I totally feel you there. I generally avoid them for the same reason. My focus is on bracelet events or other daily events around town starting at 11 a.m. or noon so this messes with that schedule if I were to luck into a deep run. In general, I have to attempt to adjust my sleep schedule when I come to the WSOP, and it isn't easy: 20 years ago I was grinding out all-night poker sessions often, now (I'm 48, FWIW) I usually sleep something like 9 p.m. to 4 a.m. I sometimes joke that I now wake up earlier than I used to go to bed. 😃

Realistically, it's rare that a majority of players will be playing that late, and the payouts at the level are worth the loss of sleep anyway. If anyone is worried about going deep in a DDS and playing late into the night, but don't want it to interfere with a bracelet event, then just don't play the DDS the day before the last flight of the bracelet event.

I played the last flight of the Gladiator in 2023 and we played all the way until about 3AM because we had so many runners, then had to start day 2 at 10AM that next day. I was soooo tired, I'm local, so had to drive home and then back instead of just going up to a hotel room.

Vegas is expensive. I don't want to make the trip and waste one full day.

Maybe it's different now that they start earlier and fields are much smaller, but when I ran deep it was closer to 3 or 4 am before I was done. I stay up till 2 am anyway. Then I have to eat something because there was no dinner break. By the time I find it and eat it, it's closer to 5 am before I hit the sack. 10 am start means it's 4 hours of sleep. I can still do it, but I don't want to spend good money and likely not put in my best effort. Who knows, maybe it wouldn't affect me much. I've never tried it because logically it doesn't make sense.

Try it and let us know. Even if you finish early, stay up until 5 a.m.

I played that same flight. Lucky for me I got knocked out early.

Yup. I final tabled a Wynn daily and I didn't consider that while I made a little money unless I got top 2 it was barely worth running a whole day into the ground. If you're only there for a week or so I'd only dedicate 1 day to this but otherwise pick a couple tournaments of larger size and play cash. Just my thoughts

Btw, they should end these types of events around 10 or 11 and then come back for final 27 or so (maybe just end at a specific time if it makes sense to do so) then finish. Yea it's a 2 day event but honestly it doesn't run you into the ground and you'll have the evening free. Guess it's a bit of a trade off. Venetian does this is think when you reach the money

That seems like misinformation. I've played dozens of tournaments at Venetian over the years. The pattern is predictable. 40 minute levels and multiple starting flights = multi-day tournament where you bag up at 12.5%. 30 minute levels and one starting flight = single day tournament ending that day/night. They are pretty good at ending their one-day stuff before midnight most of the time, though that could be stretched in peak summer season.

I don't think everyone needs to have the same preferences about multi-day vs. single-day, but I do think it's important to know what you are signing up for. If you have strong preferences about fast tournaments vs. slow tournaments or single-day vs. multi-day, make sure to check the structure sheets closely. There are enough options in Vegas during the summer that you should be able to find whatever you're looking for, within reason.

Bagged a $600 Venetian a few summers ago around 2:00 AM. Came bag next day to soft bubble.........

I like the idea of not ending a tournament super late, but wish they would flatten payout so everyone that bags cashes. I think they paid 10% and about 12% bagged.

Unfortunately, most players and venues want the tourney to go as late as possible in multiflight events so that they can fire more bullets the next day or get more rake.

E.g. WSOP often plays down past the WSOP 15% ITM in the 30minute level events. That's an extra 10% of players that aren't in a day 2 and now can play something else.

Im sorry, are you referring to me? If I posted something incorrect I apologize. I was more posting to just what my experience was. I was playing cash at venetian and just saw a dude I know so I asked him about the tournament he was in. Otherwise please correct me if I'm incident about something.

Yeah, it's not a big deal, but Venetian does not bag up dailies. If they stopped to bag up, it was a multi-flight/multi-day tournament.

I've played events there with people who literally didn't even realize they just registered for a multi-day tournament, so it's not an unusual phenomenon. I'm just saying it's very clear in the schedule and structure sheets which tournaments pay out on day 1 and which bag up for a day 2. A good general rule of thumb is one flight and 30 minute levels = play to a winner that day. Multiple flights and 40 minute levels = bag up at 12.5% and come back for day 2 ITM.

Does anybody know the dates when the venues released their schedule last year?

It's probably on this forum, a little less than a year ago.

Haven't seen Spaceyfcb post the other series for other casinos in the past few years on his twitter.

Is he done doing that?

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