Botfarm won $10 Million on WPN
Monitoring the development and profitability of poker bots has become an increasingly challenging task.
Below are my findings related to the bots identified on the Winning Poker Network (WPN).
Botfarm Total Multi-Table Tournament (MTT) Graph:
Botfarm 2023 Year MTT Results:
Botfarm Cash Games NL400+ Since April 1, 2023:
The issue of bot proliferation has been recognized for at least 3.5 years, as discussed in this Botfarm forum thread.
Despite submitting comprehensive reports to the WPN, which unfortunately went unanswered from their security team, I harbor no illusions that they will address the problem. The security service has let down the player community. Therefore, I am reaching out to poker schools, funds, and independent players.
I urge you to examine the hands played by these bots in cash games and MTTs this year, analyze their strategies in training sessions, and actively combat them at the tables. In many games, they constitute a significant portion of the player field, ranging from 5% to 15%.
https://mega.nz/file/tuJwgYYI#2WVRTQ2BB9... - MTT Hands
https://mega.nz/file/0rQzzSZY#WGXy0n1-w4... - Cash Hands
Here are the aliases for Hand2Note 3 that I have compiled. However, I encourage you to verify and draw your own conclusions.
https://mega.nz/file/FuowxARL#7MLoYSwjqx... - Aliases
Currently, Botfarm evolve approximately every 3 months but still employ exploitative tactics, allowing to push back. Given their ability to create over 100+ new accounts per month, eradicating them requires multiple waves of blocking, not just a single sweep. This issue is not exclusive to WPN; evidence suggests that Ignition and GG Poker are already affected. While I lack data from all platforms, it is certain that they will infiltrate wherever there is a lucrative game.
In the end I would like to say that poker is a game of people with each other, not the machines. Interference by machines disrupts the essence of poker. If any room management believes that regular players can be replaced by machines - you are mistaken. In such a scenario, the game would inevitably dwindle or even cease to exist, reaching an untenable scale.
List of MTT Nicknames Part 1:
List of MTT Nicknames Part 2:
List of Cash NL400+ Nicknames:
There is a very very simple fix to the acr bot problem, and in fact, poker stars have crushed this fix.
Random checks of your background running processes. Every single program running in the background must be explained, if you canÂ’t explain the background processes then you get kicked and your account is escalated to a review.
If an unrecognised program is running in the background then a pop up should come up, halting play or after the hand asking you what the running program is. In order to continue play you must type in what the program is.
If your account considers to be running at a very high rate in terms of GTO sizes or action then that specific program that is unknown will be subject to a review.
IÂ’m a software engineer by trade and would be more than happy to help ACR with this.
There is a very very simple fix to the acr bot problem, and in fact, poker stars have crushed this fix.
Random checks of your background running processes. Every single program running in the background must be explained, if you canÂ’t explain the background processes then you get kicked and your account is escalated to a review.
If an unrecognised program is running in the background then a pop up should come up, halting play or after the hand asking you what the running program is. In order to c
What about things that are in your browser like what I linked earlier in the thread?
Also just FYI to everyone you can add him to your ignore list by clicking his name and picking the bottom option. I did it today when someone else made me aware we have that option.
It's absurd how much he clogs up these threads that so many people are reading through.
when you click a name the bottom option is to add it to your contact list (maybe that's not the case on some skins?). here's a direct link to add him to your ...
Well itÂ’s actually a lot more simple than that, those generally run Java or have embedded apis that connect to name.server that send and receive requests. ItÂ’s very easy for acr to blacklist these sites so if you receive those requests youÂ’ll be subject to a review.
For example,
The pure gto alpha bot or whatever itÂ’s called uses a server file on your desktop that opens a TeamViewer type port. This port is a TCP port, this port has to be also open on your router and whitelisted.
ACR needs to scan a routers open ports (like poker stars) , they they need to have in their terms and conditions that they are allowed to pen test any open ports to look for screen sharing(quite easy to identify).
Say port 7111 is open on the router, port 7111 has incoming and outgoing packets and is steady state. Say users ip is 192.167.1.1 but their IP that is known to the poker site is 10.1.3.2 , the poker site can simply open up TCP. Viewer
Type
Ip :10.1.3.2
Port 7111
This will very likely bring up a remote version of a screen which is very likely being read by another pc.
How to fix these problems from a player point of view.
Start min bet donking OOP when you have a hand that needs to check call or check raise. This will be interpreted from the RTA point of view as a donk bet and will screw up their game tree.
How to fix these problems from an operators point of view.
Have a bomb pot type randomizser where a player from IP or OOP will min donk at a point in the hand, this literally stops both players from using a screen based RTA.
The most insane thing about this is that the rta companies that sell these rta bot programs are actually contracted to various poker sites and have had deals with them for the past 4 years.
You use an rta, you donÂ’t know it but your cards are being shared with not only a bunch of Russians but also poker sites themselvesÂ….
OT but related, I've demonstrated money laundering/dumping on GG which was really trivial. May I ask you why simple database triggers aren't in place there? Along the same line with ACR why do you think there aren't routinely stat comparison which should be the base line of any security measure? It seems unreal to me, but maybe you care to explain since you explained some things with your last post.
Also I'd like to take advatange of your time if I can, don't you think catching custom RTA solution should be done in another way? Namely having a GTOw AI alike software that checks in RT (or just winners before any cashout) ?
Moral of the story... Economies of Scale!
The nicknames alone would make a man paranoid.
Here's another list of players I find very suspicious:
FandorinE
Micromancy
Mitrasela
Vantia
sarasvatixC
updatesla
JabroniJamoke
LeSluuu
manskape
WhiteMagician
Stiflersbro23
whirlpool
theLINKcog
berodueln
evertonmiteiro
Dimadub93
aDumbledore
stickittin
WrIsMyHapiness
zombOK
jckurasan
"The pure gto alpha bot or whatever itÂ’s called uses a server file on your desktop that opens a TeamViewer type port. This port is a TCP port, this port has to be also open on your router and whitelisted. "
I always wonder whether the RTA programmers of these softwares build in an exploit such as software sending the holecards of the people who use it. That way they can have multiple source of income 1 is from selling software and 2 is from skimming the players smartly... So basically what the cheaters would win is also taxed by them and what you are gonna do even if find out? Go to the court saying an illegal SW sent some additional info?
Seriously this would be the ultimate scam.
"This will very likely bring up a remote version of a screen which is very likely being read by another pc. "
I do believe high end cheaters use a combination of 2 PCs and a camera that it optimized to record screen from the outside. Its what? 2-3k usd for a great cam and maybe 200 usd to someone to set it up well for the light conditions and to the color of the screen????? So 1 PC is playing, 1 camera is recording the screen and a screenscraper is run on 2nd pc to interpret the data that is put to a solver / pre made solutions.
Also its not a huge work to make a GTO bot thats speech based. Heck since you can't possibly open every spot you have like this you have built in defence against room's anti GTO team...open 25bb button cbet on KJTr. Boom.
There is a very very simple fix to the acr bot problem, and in fact, poker stars have crushed this fix.
Random checks of your background running processes. Every single program running in the background must be explained, if you canÂ’t explain the background processes then you get kicked and your account is escalated to a review.
If an unrecognised program is running in the background then a pop up should come up, halting play or after the hand asking you what the running program is. In order to c
I'll pay you 10K to design a bot to play on ACR for 5k hands without being detected. LOLOLOLOLLLLOLOL
in reality if it was internal they wouldn't be running bot challenges.
Who here thinks the WPN CEO knows how to look for bots/knows who to hire? Assuming he wants to solve the problem, that is...
There is a very very simple fix to the acr bot problem, and in fact, poker stars have crushed this fix.
Random checks of your background running processes. Every single program running in the background must be explained, if you canÂ’t explain the background processes then you get kicked and your account is escalated to a review.
If an unrecognised program is running in the background then a pop up should come up, halting play or after the hand asking you what the running program is. In order to c
Background app checks is pointless for any serious botters.
You can buy tiny pilot KVM over IP super cheap. It allows you to control the machine as if in ur location with no software needed to be run. On a second laptop you control which u can just run botting software over.
A few people do it on other sites and acr are not checking for these type of things. When the remote software ban on acr came out, people were still able to remote desktop to other sites through browser and kvmIP hard/software which acr not able to detect it. So their 'we banned remote desktop services' is pointless.
Background app check is pointless.
Well itÂ’s actually a lot more simple than that, those generally run Java or have embedded apis that connect to name.server that send and receive requests. ItÂ’s very easy for acr to blacklist these sites so if you receive those requests youÂ’ll be subject to a review.
For example,
The pure gto alpha bot or whatever itÂ’s called uses a server file on your desktop that opens a TeamViewer type port. This port is a TCP port, this port has to be also open on your router and whitelisted.
ACR needs to
Thank you for your response.
I'll pay you 10K to design a bot to play on ACR for 5k hands without being detected. LOLOLOLOLLLLOLOL
While I think its a stupid argument I see this all over.
A person who has a bot with good stealth would be an idiot to make this bet. He can make more in small stakes NLHE with 4-5 accs than 10k in 1 month man. mid stakes? way more.
You can easily google botting community forums like warbot and see their discussions and updates. If i was part of security I would use the bot and reverse engineer ways to trip it up.
You can easily google botting community forums like warbot and see their discussions and updates. If i was part of security I would use the bot and reverse engineer ways to trip it up.
its just stupid. Yeah i guess integrity team never thought about using google and search for bots/RTA? Guess you should join them and tell to use google?
Obviously the software that works on the long run is not available with a simple google search. -.-"
most are scam/software that is caught in the 2nd moment u use them.
its just stupid. Yeah i guess integrity team never thought about using google and search for bots/RTA? Guess you should join them and tell to use google?
Obviously the software that works on the long run is not available with a simple google search. -.-"
most are scam/software that is caught in the 2nd moment u use them.
These communities have been going for years, so they obviously must be working. Seems like they cant even stop the basic google bots let alone underground.
These communities have been going for years, so they obviously must be working. Seems like they cant even stop the basic google bots let alone underground.
Do you have any proof they work or just some random forum threads that are basically can be imitated for almost 0 cost? Do you know what miles some scammers in India/ Ghana whatever are willing to make for 1k usd?
I do think there are advanced bots but I don't think you can just find them in google and use them WITHOUT EXTREME MODIFICATIONS.
Do you have any proof they work or just some random forum threads that are basically can be imitated for almost 0 cost? Do you know what miles some scammers in India/ Ghana whatever are willing to make for 1k usd?
I do think there are advanced bots but I don't think you can just find them in google and use them WITHOUT EXTREME MODIFICATIONS.
I just posted evidence. Forum that dates back many years that is active and updated. If you think someone just faked that entire forum for fun, you are a clown. ignorance is bliss. Its not a random forum its an active website that sells the bot, there are others also they all faked as they? just for fun?
I do think there are advanced bots but I don't think you can just find them in google and use them WITHOUT EXTREME MODIFICATIONS
Yes that is what your feels are telling you but you have evidence of that. I just showed you evidence of the opposite and dismiss it. lol.
havent played ACR since like 2015 because of all the bot talk
Surprised people are surprised TBH
These bots are infesting ignition as well, probably even worse than wpn. For those unfamiliar with their tendencies, which you may have seen (FOR CASH GAMES):
-Multiple open sizes from the same positions (no read)
-3 betting from the bb vs 3x sb open to specifically 8bb (almost always garbage, but will sometimes 5 bet rip)
-third pot turn barrel as srp ip pfr or oop pfc srp after xr in spots where its not a thing, usually followed by a huge river overbet jam (almost always bluff)
-3 betting to specifically 9.5bb vs a 2.5bb open out of the big blind (no read)
-donk bets to very consistent slightly than bigger half pot sizes on flop where its not a thing, sometimes followed by triple barrel jam (also way overbluffed)
I'm sure there's others
The bots either learn or are fed MDA info. They are very exploitable if you can figure out their tendencies
If you keep an eye out in the pool for these signs you quickly realize the pool is infested with bots. Its embarassing to whatever dumb **** at ACR is so ignorant to whats going on on his site that he issued a 100k challenge completely oblivious to the fact the site is already overrun. Ignition isn't any better. Its the same kind of bot ring on both sites
I just posted evidence. Forum that dates back many years that is active and updated. If you think someone just faked that entire forum for fun, you are a clown. ignorance is bliss. Its not a random forum its an active website that sells the bot, there are others also they all faked as they? just for fun?
Yes that is what your feels are telling you but you have evidence of that. I just showed you evidence of the opposite and dismiss it. lol.
So you might as well learn to read:
"WITHOUT EXTREME MODIFICATIONS"
You wont buy a winning/undetectable profile for 300usd. period. You might buy the warbot and spend couple hundred/thousands hours into researching and then modifying them to win.
So you might as well learn to read:
"WITHOUT EXTREME MODIFICATIONS"
You wont buy a winning/undetectable profile for 300usd. period. You might buy the warbot and spend couple hundred/thousands hours into researching and then modifying them to win.
Now provide evidence for your claim. Sounds like you are speaking from experience maybe?
Looooooooooooooooooool
What an absolute trainwreck of a situation for ACR.
Who the **** thought creating a bot challenge was a great response to accusations of bots on their website? Hahahaha, they probably had all the bot accounts emailing them telling them, hey bro we got some working bots. Not to mention the guy who created a working bot in a half hour. Looool. Literally the dumbest people own and operate ACR. My god this was hilarious. If you still play on ACR I don't feel bad if you lose anymore. No one who likes money should be playing on that scam website. I haven't played since 2021 and back then I thought things weren't right either.
There's almost a 0% chance ACR isn't in on this either. That site has been one of the shadiest poker sites ever.
Hopefully this is the downfall of that **** company. Just like every other shitty poker site, it's always greed that gets them.
