I believe men to be the oppressed in American society.
I am wondering if violence against women in the western world is a result of opression and frustration from men who are not treated with respect but are made to work much harder and more difficult jobs than anyone else.
I have been considering the number of men incarcerated(and for how long), I think of the number of men killed in wars and I think about the number of men who are homeless(compared to women) and lastly I think about male suicide rates (due to lack of perceived value by society)
I am not saying the violence against women is acceptable or should be tolerated.
I am saying let’s look at how society treats men and women and let’s see if it’s fair.
Feminism is equality for the sexes. Let’s talk about the inequalities men face
Not sure how to quantify the abuses women face from men and vice versa
I should make a distinction that female life is what is intrinsically more important, not female "freedom." Obviously through history many human societies have put much more restrictions on female behavior than males, ironically because they are so intrinsically valuable.
For example, in most historical societies females have been prohibited from going to war/battle, even if they wanted to.
It’s not female life, it’s the unique female ability to create life. Such is the crux of the issue.
You aren’t born in god’s image. You’re born in ours. đź‘Ť
crossnerd, what percentage of posters here at 2p2 that everyone is assuming are men are actually women?
It’s not female life, it’s the unique female ability to create life. Such is the crux of the issue.
You aren’t born in god’s image. You’re born in ours. 👍
Well, it isn't really a competition.
And the fact that in pretty much every "progressive" society where traditional gender norms are being challenged, fertility is well below replacement level (and traditional societies the exact opposite); this empirically seems to support the idea that "The Patriarchy" and traditional gender roles/stereotypes had some positive selective utility (at least insofar as gene survival).
It probably isn't an accident that God is generally perceived as a male; as conservative, patriarchal societies have been the ones who outcompeted and survived and got to decide what God looked like (and not surprisingly patriarchs generally decided he looked like them).
Not sure why I’m even engaging with this. I just wanted to laugh at the pathetic OP. Carry on, gentlemen and amateur evolutionary biologists. Fighting for your lives in here together Lmao. May you all soon crack the code!
Not sure why I’m even engaging with this. I just wanted to laugh at the pathetic OP. Carry on, gentlemen and amateur evolutionary biologists. Fighting for your lives in here together Lmao. May you all soon crack the code!
i think you misunderstood this - there's no camaraderie with op and pretty much everyone disagrees with him
i think you misunderstood this - there's no camaraderie with op and pretty much everyone disagrees with him
I certainly wouldn't say men are oppressed, but I agree that men's lives are definitely treated as having less value, at least for men who do not have vast wealth or political power.
So you agree your statement about men creating wars and then whining about them was incorrect.
Not sure now you got that. Bills were introduced to repeal the selective service act and make it gender neutral and the majority male congress rejected them both times. Men want to fight the wars they start. They just also want to whine about it at the same time apparently. Big boys fight the warsssss and women don’t have to because we keep legislating it that wayyyyy, wahhhh
Well you agreed that the people who start wars are not the ones who fight them. So the ones fighting them can complain because they didn’t start them. Even tho you said men start wars and then complain when they have to fight them; which we both agreed isn’t true.
My distinction
I’m sorry do you think everyone in the military fights?
The distinction matters because men don’t value women’s lives- they value the utility of women’s lives. There’s a big difference.
Yes distinction is important. Like the difference between those that start wars and those that fight them.
Infantry and combat arms fight wars. Not support jobs. They support the fighters. And everyone supports the infantry
I don’t think you’re allowed to enlist in the military if you score less than approx 80 iq, so you really shouldn’t worry about it so much…
I feel another IQ challenge coming on. Beware, CN, he's a slow payer.
Here ya go.
The distinction matters because men don’t value women’s lives- they value the utility of women’s lives. There’s a big difference.
Men are generally shallow. The more females we obtain the higher our social standing is perceptually amongst other males and females.
Those are the rules, we didn't make the rules.
I have been considering the number of men incarcerated(and for how long), I think of the number of men killed in wars and I think about the number of men who are homeless(compared to women) and lastly I think about male suicide rates (due to lack of perceived value by society)
Lol, men are more susceptible to acts of total mental ******ation, that is why more of them are incarcerated, homeless, and higher chances of suicide. Men do more drugs and are definitely more alcoholic. Most of the gamblers in the casino are male.
Men also started all these stupid wars.
Men also control like most of the money in the world.
If you don’t think women are smarter than men…. Then they have fooled you
A large number of small, motile gametes versus a limited number of large, non motile gametes. Once you can grasp this reality and the predicable ramifications of this binary system, everything else kind of falls into place and makes sense. And this is certainly nothing unique to H0mo Sapiens. Most sexually reproducing mammalian species follow similar patterns.
Women’s lives will also be greatly improved when the unhappy men in society have their needs met
