Covid-19 Discussion
Has the wisdom and courage to realize that the cure has now become worse than the disease. It's time to open up. Stop moving the ball.
Hospital systems have not been overwhelmed.
Ventilators are not in shortage.
Treatments are being developed.
There is no cure or vaccine. This is not going away for four years.
The devastation of the cure:
Suicide rates picking up.
Massive economic devastation which causes depression, anxiety, obesity, again increase in suicide rates and directly impacts poorer economic areas.
Alcohol sales up 51%.
Domestic Abuse on the uprise
Child abuse on the uprise.
Hospitals that do not have COVID related issues are forced to lay off doctors and nurses as there are not enough patients to economically support it, meaning they won't have the staff to deal with COVID outbreaks.
Michael Avenatti gets released from prison
We all did our part. We sheltered (here in Pennsylvania for 5 weeks already).
Open the office buildings. Open the hair saloons. Get rid of stupid mask laws.
Continue to monitor outbreaks and in areas hospital systems become threatened, reenact tougher guidelines.
LET'S GET BACK TO WORK!
And stop shaming people that want common sense solutions. Waiting for a vaccine is stupid and unpractical.
//In low- and middle-income countries, learning losses to school closures have left up to 70 per cent of 10-year-olds unable to read or understand a simple text, up from 53 per cent pre-pandemic.//
is enough to claim "immense damage" to minors worldwide , because of lockdowns, imho.
Damn not just kids were under lockdown but parents too right ?
I guess parents didn’t care much about their kids if they couldn’t just help them to read a little huh ….
Look, i compared the USA to other first world countries to begin with and said it fared worse because of underlying, far worse, pre COVID health conditions of the population.
Then you said "wait but Brazil? See bolsonaro is like trump and that proves lack of lockdowns is what caused COVID deaths more than elsewhere".
To that I mention mexico, where AMLO, a communist, did the same as trump and bolsonaro (without any power to implement NPIs, the president talked covid down and personally disregarded
Nope !
I pointed u what happens in alberta and huge divergence of infections and death happens just in Canada alone in summer 2021 refute what your saying .
Peru is far too small a country by itself to use it as a main reference for world wide conclusion as a statistic to counter act all other results .
It’s not enough .
Peru could of been just an outlier and even if there was high lockdown we don’t know if they were able to enforce it like other places where they have the technology to enforce it like South Korea or the man power to do it in China for example .
U can use % if u like to blind yourself but me I just look at the numbers of bodies and match it to what policies were under it and it just so clearly obvious …
Nope !
I pointed u what happens in alberta and huge divergence of infections and death happens just in Canada alone in summer 2021 refute what your saying .
Peru is far too small a country by itself to use it as a main reference for world wide conclusion as a statistic to counter act all other results .
It’s not enough .
Peru could of been just an outlier and even if there was high lockdown we don’t know if they were able to enforce it like other places where they have the technology to
Pls link an updated source about Canadian provinces with excess deaths as a % of the population for each of them, showing Alberta fared much worse.
Please remind that delaying mass deaths 6 months has 0 value: you have to end up with more excess deaths over the long term after everyone reopened in full.
Btw Peru has almost as many people as Canada jfc, small my ass: 33m people.
Didn’t u read the link I posted earlier
Canada is far more comparable to countries like the US Brazil and other western countries where actually health care do exist .
And again I wasn’t using Canada as reference with the rest of the world .
U had a macrocosm seeing vastly different results with policies intended within the same environment.
U just used Peru as a reference with the rest of the world using % with vastly different reality and not even knowing if lockdown in Peru were really able to enforce it .
They don’t even have much of healthcare system and we should think their were able to correctly enforce , informed health emergency measures like a total lockdown ?
If you mean this link
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/d...
I did.
It's from September 2021. There is no mention of excess deaths which are literally the only way we have to judge COVID damage to society properly.
Do you have an updated source from today, tracking excess deaths from 2020, to 2023 included, by Canadian province, as a percentage of population, showing that Alberta did much worse? That would be something to justify your claim that Alberta did worse
Another one if u needed
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6197263
"The end of this terrible time is just two weeks away," Kenney infamously said on June 18. "We finally have the upper hand on this virus and can safely open up our province."
Fast forward to today and Alberta has the highest rate of infections in the country, at close to four times the national average, and Albertans are dying of COVID-19 at close to three times the rate of anywhere else in Canada — rivalled only by Saskatchewan.
While there's no redo button on Alberta's delta-fueled fourth wave, there are lessons —
Unlike Ontario, which has triple the population but is faring much better in the fourth wave after keeping many public health restrictions in place, Alberta resisted vaccine passports, lifted mask mandates and even planned to abandon test, trace and isolate protocols before backtracking as cases rose.
Our healthcare system has completely collapsed," said Schwartz. "It's not just that we're on the verge of collapse, I think that's misleading at this point — we've completely collapsed."
Schwartz says Alberta hospitals are currently unable to offer life-saving surgery or safe emergency care to those that desperately need it and some are consistently running at more than 100 per cent ICU capacity, making for a "completely dysfunctional healthcare system."
Here is the answer to your question in t... The main difference is that Covid is a virus spread through the air and what is trying to be restricted in surgical theatres is bacteria spread (which is not caused by airborne particles).
The article you linked doesn't specifically mention bacteria at all that I can see. However we do know that bacteria can be spread through coughing so the comparison with viruses is a valid one.
Also this from the article.
It was found that some surgical masks may allow a considerable proportion of airborne virus to pass through the filter, resulting in insignificant protection against aerosolized infectious agents in the 10 to 80 nm range (Bałazy et al., 2006)
Another one of u needed
Excess deaths numbers.
"Dying while infected" is totally irrelevant, infection rates are totally irrelevant, and so on
Man if what I highlighted doesn’t make u realize how covid restrictions clearly still was needed in summer 2021 (at least in Canada) , nothing will .
Alberta had a collapsing healthcare system had 3X to 4X infection and dying rates compared to other provinces that had 3 time more population then Alberta ….
In just 3 months !
And that is in the same country with same policies and healthcares ressources at the beginning !
Someone decide to do exactly what u imply and they got crushed by medical reality .
Now u don’t want to acknowledge it’s fine .
Just hide behind some % numbers in country like Peru with like no healthcare and very poor to blur your reality instead of acknowledging real empirai evidence with bodies numbers shrug
Speaking of excess mortality here's an interesting article/summary of US excess mortality data up to the first week in january 2024.
As of Week 1 of 2024, 3.87 years into the Covid-19 Pandemic and its aftermath, 1,545,379 excess deaths have been recorded to date. Now certainly, the SARS-CoV-2 virus was a deadly pathogen, itself 6.6 times more deadly than the typical annual mortality total for all influenza viruses combined. However, as the reader will infer from the material below, it was the panic-fueled, and in some cases malicious, actions of those few in power which have served to precipitate the larger part of total excess mortality during the pandemic, as well as post-pandemic, periods.
As of January 6th 2024, there have been
638,066 Excess Non-Covid Natural Cause Deaths,
172,650 Excess Non-Natural Deaths,
373,541 Excess Deaths from Denial of Treatment,1
361,122 Excess Deaths from the SARS-CoV-2 virus (6.6 x annual influenza-pneumonia)2
making for a grand total of 1,184,257 Manmade Excess Deaths of US Citizens, out of a Pandemic Total Excess Mortality of 1,545,379.
Chart 12 – All Non-Covid Natural Causes Excess Mortality Ages 0-24 (USA) – stands at 42.1% elevated versus historic trend. This is an 11-sigma event. This is obfuscated (concealed) by the Covid-19 deaths during 2021 in older age groups; however, becomes clear when this age bracket is broken out separately. This metric is both alarming and condemning as regards the Covid-19 mRNA vaccine.
Thus it is clear that we have a problem, and that problem is the Covid-19 mRNA vaccine. This serves to broach the question, just how deadly have the vaccine, along with all our other panic-fueled mistakes, indeed been? We answer that question in Chart 13 below.
USA Full Covid-19 Mortality Accountability – 1,184,300 Manmade US Deaths
The chart below shows the total impact of our poor decision making as a society, in terms of total mortality, and compares that mortality to the various wars and conflicts our nation has suffered. Of key note inside this death tally are the 638,100 deaths inside the Vaccine/Sudden/Long Covid tally. 95% of this metric resulted from the impact of the mRNA vaccine itself, with the remaining 5% attributable to primarily Long Covid.
Man if what I highlighted doesn’t make u realize how covid restrictions clearly still was needed in summer 2021 (at least in Canada) , nothing will .
Alberta had a collapsing healthcare system had 3X to 4X infection and dying rates compared to other provinces that had 3 time more population then Alberta ….
In just 3 months !
And that is in the same country with same policies and healthcares ressources at the beginning !
Someone decide to do exactly what u imply and they got crushed by medical re
Not only it clearly wasn't needed in late 2021, it was criminal to have any in late 2020.
I am not hiding behind anything: I am telling you that if you go and check, Alberta didn't have a worse outcome than other Canadian regions
Speaking of excess mortality here's an interesting article/summary of US excess mortality data up to the first week in january 2024.
Ye fentanyl clearly caused more YLL (years of life lost) than COVID, yet the lockdownistas praised china (the main source of the fentanyl epidemic).
The moral aberration of those years, and the lingering tail of those moral horrors, are of a scale that is hard to describe with words
If the shoe fits. You are not only not a doctor and should not try to make medical diagnoses, you have not met these people in order to diagnose them. You have zero medical training (obvious). What you said here and doubled-down on later is not only incredibly stupid, it's horrifically offensive. Further, it's monumentally dangerous to society.
You earned your label. You will only be laughed at from here on out, too. That's what you earn when you obstinately refuse to listen and then say monstrou
Monumentally dangerous to society? Yeah the 40% of American adults that are fat and obese also experiencing long covid issues? Lose weight!
Take the L and move on.
Not only it clearly wasn't needed in late 2021, it was criminal to have any in late 2020.
I am not hiding behind anything: I am telling you that if you go and check, Alberta didn't have a worse outcome than other Canadian regions
so the 2 articles i showed u is just fake news and invented numbers.
ok i got it .
thx.
because u said so its true but not empirical evidence in canada.
how cute.
And what is your evidences to suggest such a stance u hold ?
so the 2 articles i showed u is just fake news and invented numbers.
ok i got it .
thx.
another conspiracy theorist exposed.
Can you read? So a leftist source claiming x is garbage and should never be used to prove anything.
Find a normal peer reviewed source showing Alberta had a lot more excess deaths, then we can START the conversation: was allowing a few more elders to die a little sooner worth the freedom or not?
You are using random partisan people spewing takes as proof lol, how can you? That's a waste of time.
Having more infections is completely irrelevant. Having a couple of weeks of hospital under stress is close to irrelevant. If at the end of it all you buried a ton more people, that's relevant, otherwise, nothing significant happened.
Damn not just kids were under lockdown but parents too right ?
I guess parents didn’t care much about their kids if they couldn’t just help them to read a little huh ….
Do you realize poor people in Indonesia india Brazil and so on have only a few years of bad education and can barely read?
Your privilege is showing here
We have several elements to be able to claim the damage was massive (ofc i am not only talking about the USA, which actually locked down less than average, although some places closed schools longer than average).
Just some examples
Notorious libertarian UNICEF
COVID:19 Scale of education loss ‘nearly insurmountable’, warns UNICEF
https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/co...
Just this
//In low- and middle-income countries, learning losses to sch
Ok I yield. I didn't think much of the "damage" on little kids but damn this post is changing my mind.
Btw I just checked something because it felt really weird.
Deena Hinshaw, the public health official who recanted her choice to give freedom to the people of Alberta in the article you linked, was fired before the end of her term (extremely rare) presumably for incompetence, because she refused to treat COVID as endemic (IE to stop giving a **** to it), and was later hired by British Columbia NDP (Extreme leftists) leadership for a similar role .
IE she wanted to pivot her political stance toward the moral horrors of lockdowns, political choice, nothing she can say on the topic can be believed scientifically
Monumentally dangerous to society? Yeah the 40% of American adults that are fat and obese also experiencing long covid issues? Lose weight!
Take the L and move on.
I love that you think you are winning this. For the record, your entire argument can be destroyed with one sentence. I will post that sentence below. I will immensely enjoy watching the flurry of logical fallacies that ensue after I post it. Are you ready? Here it is.
Post the peer-reviewed study that clearly demonstrates long covid is caused by being "fat and unhealthy." (not just increases the risk, but is caused by)
Your claim is that long covid is simply fat people still being fat. So let's see a source on that.
Expect a lot of jordan-laughing.gifs
There is no winning. Guys like you won. Lockdowns were enacted, tens of millioks of people in western countries cheered for them, the human response to COVID did a lot more damage than COVID, and most people who made those choices are still part of the political and social elite of our countries, instead of being on life no parole or executed (depending on jurisdictions)
Not only it clearly wasn't needed in late 2021, it was criminal to have any in late 2020.
I am not hiding behind anything: I am telling you that if you go and check, Alberta didn't have a worse outcome than other Canadian regions
Alberta had a better death rate than Quebec and Ontario.
0.78% vs 1.52% and 1.09%
Looks like the alarm bells about how the sky was falling over Alberta because of their re-opening policies was unfounded.
I love that you think you are winning this. For the record, your entire argument can be destroyed with one sentence. I will post that sentence below. I will immensely enjoy watching the flurry of logical fallacies that ensue after I post it. Are you ready? Here it is.
Post the peer-reviewed study that clearly demonstrates long covid is caused by being "fat and unhealthy." (not just increases the risk, but is caused by)
Your claim is that long covid is simply fat people still being fat. So let's se
You are still very upset over that mask mandate argument where I got you to admit mask mandates were useless.
You don't have to be this emotionally invested in mask mandates.
There is no winning when people like you make crap up to support your untenable positions. And people like Tien call people legitimately suffering from long covid simply "fat and unhealthy."
I thought there was no winning? But yes, truth wins. Your lies will lose in the long run.
Lockdowns were enacted, tens of millioks of people in western countries cheered for them, the human response to COVID did a lot more damage than COVID
Just no.
, and most people who made those choices are still part of the political and social elite of our countries, instead of being on life no parole or executed (depending on jurisdictions)
Horrifically misguided.
Have a nice day!
