Covid-19 Discussion
Has the wisdom and courage to realize that the cure has now become worse than the disease. It's time to open up. Stop moving the ball.
Hospital systems have not been overwhelmed.
Ventilators are not in shortage.
Treatments are being developed.
There is no cure or vaccine. This is not going away for four years.
The devastation of the cure:
Suicide rates picking up.
Massive economic devastation which causes depression, anxiety, obesity, again increase in suicide rates and directly impacts poorer economic areas.
Alcohol sales up 51%.
Domestic Abuse on the uprise
Child abuse on the uprise.
Hospitals that do not have COVID related issues are forced to lay off doctors and nurses as there are not enough patients to economically support it, meaning they won't have the staff to deal with COVID outbreaks.
Michael Avenatti gets released from prison
We all did our part. We sheltered (here in Pennsylvania for 5 weeks already).
Open the office buildings. Open the hair saloons. Get rid of stupid mask laws.
Continue to monitor outbreaks and in areas hospital systems become threatened, reenact tougher guidelines.
LET'S GET BACK TO WORK!
And stop shaming people that want common sense solutions. Waiting for a vaccine is stupid and unpractical.
But please do continue promoting this book you've never read. I'm sure it's the big one that finally proves you right and 99.99% of the medical community wrong! I can't wait to see the photos of this rando nurse accepting her Pulitzer for breaking the story of the century!
Oh, it will break eventually. It's just a matter of time. You can't hide the biggest medical disaster in history forever. The dam will break at some point.
You said she was an "unqualified nurse". Which implies that she wasn't qualified to be a nurse.
Maybe you should brush up on your literacy skills.
Generally, nurses aren’t allowed to make medical decisions but can provide treatment based on a doctors decisions. So, to the extent this book you championed is full of medical decisions of proper diagnosis, causation or recommended treatment programs, as a nurse she is certainly unqualified to make these assessments.
Generally, nurses aren’t allowed to make medical decisions but can provide treatment based on a doctors decisions. So, to the extent this book you championed is full of medical decisions of proper diagnosis, causation or recommended treatment programs, as a nurse she is certainly unqualified to make these assessments.
That doesn't prevent from her observing the outcomes of those medical decisions though. And as I said earlier it appears the book has input from other medical professionals as well.
That doesn't prevent from her observing the outcomes of those medical decisions though. And as I said earlier it appears the book has input from other medical professionals as well.
These "observations" from the summary probably all exceed her qualifications:
The COVID vaccine has caused more injuries than all other vaccines combined in the history of modern medicine –
When... she was shocked when uncovering the staggering number of adverse events resulting from a single vaccine
Kline shares the stories of real people who suffered myriad adverse vaccine events, to educate the public...
You will be equipped to make informed decisions about a controversial vaccine....
I’ve never seen a scientific fact like COVID vaccine being a massive killing tool and yet having all the trouble in the world to prove it .
If it was a fact , nothing more easier to prove would already had emerge !
But glad we find a nurse that published a book that proves it , where millions of scientist and media people failed to made the link and reported it ….
Brian James ain’t hook on conspiracy theories at all.
As if a truth like that wouldn’t interest anyone , giving away fortune and fame in hiding it just to please who exactly ?
I Have no idea …..
But hey that book IS the thing that will saves us all from vaccines ….
That book is as real as the bible about truth because u know there is observations by people that proves it .
No monetizing at all like the preachers .
Gobble gobble gobble .
That is about the level we are now in the discussion right ?
That doesn't prevent from her observing the outcomes of those medical decisions though. And as I said earlier it appears the book has input from other medical professionals as well.
1. She is not qualified to determine whether a condition resulted from vaccination or not.
2. Neither are other "medical professionals."
The book's description above describes many senior citizens having health problems following vaccination. She uses this information to support her claim that the vaccine is dangerous.
But, senior citizens, on average, have far more health problems than other age groups. So, these problems are not unexpected.
These problems occuring after vaccination is of no more concern than them happening after other activities common to senior citizens, unless she can show causation. However, she is not qualified to do this herself. She would need to cite work by others. This work by others doesn't exist or we would already know about it.
1. She is not qualified to determine whether a condition resulted from vaccination or not.
2. Neither are other "medical professionals."
The book's description above describes many senior citizens having health problems following vaccination. She uses this information to support her claim that the vaccine is dangerous.
But, senior citizens, on average, have far more health problems than other age groups. So, these problems are not unexpected.
These problems occuring after vaccination is of no more c
The exact same thing is true for long covid btw
Oh? Exactly when did we start using books written by unqualified people as evidence for long covid?
Let's take a look at a small sample of the evidence that does exist, though. Are these by unqualified people?
Davis, H.E., McCorkell, L., Vogel, J.M. et al. Long COVID: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations. Nat Rev Microbiol 21, 133–146 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41579-022-00846...
Mirembe Woodrow, Charles Carey, Nida Ziauddeen, Rebecca Thomas, Athena Akrami, Vittoria Lutje, Darren C Greenwood, Nisreen A Alwan, Systematic Review of the Prevalence of Long COVID, Open Forum Infectious Diseases, Volume 10, Issue 7, July 2023, ofad233, https://doi.org/10.1093/ofid/ofad233
Natarajan, A., Shetty, A., Delanerolle, G. et al. A systematic review and meta-analysis of long COVID symptoms. Syst Rev 12, 88 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1186/s13643-023-02250...
Oh? Exactly when did we start using books written by unqualified people as evidence for long covid?
Books I don't know, but plenty of Twitter (and Facebook, Instagram etc) feeds by unqualified people claiming long covid is a gigantic threat shaped public opinion and perhaps even political responses to covid back in the day
Books I don't know, but plenty of Twitter (and Facebook, Instagram etc) feeds by unqualified people claiming long covid is a gigantic threat shaped public opinion and perhaps even political responses to covid back in the day
Which are not being used as evidence long covid exists. It's valid to say that those posts themselves are not evidence. However, those posts may point to or reference valid evidence.
The conclusion of one of the above papers states clearly "Given the widespread nature of SARS-CoV-2 infection globally, the burden of chronic illness is likely to be substantial even using the most conservative estimates."
Another says this: "It has already debilitated millions of individuals worldwide, and that number is continuing to grow. On the basis of more than 2 years of research on long COVID and decades of research on conditions such as ME/CFS, a significant proportion of individuals with long COVID may have lifelong disabilities if no action is taken."
So, no. The exact same thing is not true for long covid.
These "observations" from the summary probably all exceed her qualifications:
The COVID vaccine has caused more injuries than all other vaccines combined in the history of modern medicine –
When... she was shocked when uncovering the staggering number of adverse events resulting from a single vaccine
Kline shares the stories of real people who suffered myriad adverse vaccine events, to educate the public...
You will be equipped to make informed decisions about a controversial vaccine....
Dude, you stole my avatar.
Ok guys. More data incoming. Hang on to your seats.
UK HAS A PROBLEM: Excess deaths are up a staggering 22% among 1 to 14-year-olds in 2023.
This is the age group least at risk from covid, so something other than covid is causing the problem. I wonder what that something might be.
This is the age group least at risk from covid, so something other than covid is causing the problem. I wonder what that something might be.
Least at risk? Least at risk of dying from infection when compared to other groups, yes, but:
1) that doesn't equate to zero risk, so it cannot be discounted as a cause here.
Just because a person is the shortest person on a basketball team doesn't make them short. Or, as your theory would require, of zero height.
2) COVID damages nearly every organ in the body. Repeated infections, even mild ones, increase your risk of death overall.
It's almost guaranteed that that rise in mortality is caused by COVID in one way or another.
3) there is no evidence causally linking any of those deaths to vaccines, which is what you are clearly implying.
4) you continue to try to compare outcomes of homogenous cohorts (vaccinated plus unvaccinated) rather than seeing how the vaccinated have fared vs the unvaccinated. Only the latter is a valid comparison for obvious reasons. Unchecked COVID infections (as occurs in the unvaccinated) are much more damaging to the body, making those people have an even higher risk of death from other causes long term. The rise you are referencing could just as easily be caused by almost exclusively unvaccinated people.
Have a good day.
Or maybe it's crazy crap like this:
https://wchstv.com/news/nation-world/flo...
Florida man bludgeons father to death after learning he got 'the vaccine:' Investigators
by GERSHON HARRELL | WPEC
Tue, February 6th 2024
UK HAS A PROBLEM: Excess deaths are up a staggering 22% among 1 to 14-year-olds in 2023.
This is the age group least at risk from covid, so something other than covid is causing the problem. I wonder what that something might be.
In this cohort study of overall child deaths in England, the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic (ie, 2020-2021) showed a substantial reduction in all-cause child mortality, which returned to close to prepandemic levels the following year. However, there was still a net reduction in deaths despite this, with 4% fewer deaths over the 3-year period than would have been expected. Reductions in child deaths during the pandemic were seen across much of the population, notably in reductions of deaths from infection and underlying conditions, with reductions most noticeable in rural areas. However, the risk of death from trauma and infection in the oldest children has increased for each year analyzed in this study.
Least at risk? Least at risk of dying from infection when compared to other groups, yes, but:
1) that doesn't equate to zero risk, so it cannot be discounted as a cause here.
Just because a person is the shortest person on a basketball team doesn't make them short. Or, as your theory would require, of zero height.
2) COVID damages nearly every organ in the body. Repeated infections, even mild ones, increase your risk of death overall.
It's almost guaranteed that that rise in mortality is caused by C
You are clutching at straws again Gorgo. How do you explain the upward trend in deaths only starting in 2022 then, just after the magic juice was rolled out to that age group? Covid had been circulating in the community for two years by then. Why is it only after the vax is introduced that the child mortality rate sky-rockets?
That shouldn't happen if the vax actually works. Clearly it doesn't work as advertised and and in fact makes things worse. That is the only logical conclusion that fits with the data.
You are clutching at straws again Gorgo. How do you explain the upward trend in deaths only starting in 2022 then, just after the magic juice was rolled out to that age group? Covid had been circulating in the community for two years by then. Why is it only after the vax is introduced that the child mortality rate sky-rockets?
That shouldn't happen if the vax actually works. Clearly it doesn't work as advertised and and in fact makes things worse. That is the only logical conclusion that fits wit
Read my post again if you don't understand it, which you clearly didn't.
You presented no data, just quoted a tweet from yet another unqualified rando (Edward Dowd - zero relevant qualifications, and Jimmy Dore, litereally a stand-up comedian, and no relevant qualifications). You were presented with several reasons why even if the numbers that were quoted were true, nothing indicates causality with vaccines. You were also presented with a reason why this could happen after multiple infections, so the "had been circulating for years" canard fits perfectly fine with that.
You were also reminded that you cannot reasonably discover the effects of vaccination by looking at the statistics of a cohort where some were vaccinated and some were not. It doesn't even remotely make sense to do this, yet every single piece of data you try to present does nothing to compare vaccinated populations with unvaccinated populations. There is only one possible reason for this: when you do compare those two populations, the difference is extremely obvious - and it isn't good for your theory.
Your desire to cling to conspiracy theory bloggers' theories is your problem, not mine. There is nothing even slightly compelling here, and it directly contradicts peer-reviewed data and medical community consensus.
Do better.
edited in the hilarious lack of qualifications of these people you are hitching your wagon to. I ask honestly, how are you not embarrassed to be citing these clowns as sources?
If you don't get it yet, maybe this will help.
What is the best way to determine the effects of the vaccine on all cause mortality? Compare all cause mortality between two groups of people: vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.
[quote="An actual peer-reviewed paper written by people with actual qualifications"]
Conclusion:
The main finding of this meta-analysis is the lack of a connection between COVID-19 vaccination and an increased risk of all-cause mortality, when using all available data from self-controlled case series currently published on this topic.
[/quote]
Marchand G, Masoud AT, Medi S. Risk of all-cause and cardiac-related mortality after vaccination against COVID-19: A meta-analysis of self-controlled case series studies. Hum Vaccin Immunother. 2023 Aug 1;19(2):2230828. doi: 10.1080/21645515.2023.2230828. PMID: 37534766; PMCID: PMC10402862.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...
All authors involved in this ARE QUALIFIED IN THE RELEVANT FIELD, and the paper, and papers referenced within, are all PEER-REVIEWED.
[quote="Another peer-reviewed paper by qualified authors"]
CONCLUSIONS:
Receiving an mRNA vaccine was not associated with an increased risk of worsening heart failure, myocarditis, venous thromboembolism, or all-cause mortality.
[/quote]
Risk of Worsening Heart Failure and All-Cause Mortality Following COVID-19 Vaccination in Patients With Heart Failure: A Nationwide Real-World Safety Study
Caroline Sindet-Pedersen, Felix Michalik, Jarl Emanuel Strange, Daniel Mølager Christensen, Nina Nouhravesh, Thomas Alexander Gerds, Charlotte Andersson, Fredrik Folke, Tor Biering-Sørensen, Emil Fosbøl, Christian Torp-Pedersen, Gunnar H. Gislason, Lars Køber and Morten Schou
Originally published28 Jul 2023https://doi.org/10.1161/CIRCHEARTFAILURE.123.010617Circulation: Heart Failure. 2023;16
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/...
Sorry, I had trouble finding a bowling alley owner and crypto-currency trader or I would have checked out the graphs they made out of pretzels and peanuts to compare.
Lol. Your study contradicts itself in the very first paragraph.
Regarding cardiac-related mortality, the pooled HR suggests that COVID-19 vaccination is associated with an increased risk of cardiac-related mortality (HR = 1.06, 95% CI [1.02, 1.11], p = .007). Subgroup analysis showed that the male gender is significantly associated with an increased incidence of cardiac-related deaths.
Read my post again if you don't understand it, which you clearly didn't.
You presented no data, just quoted a tweet from yet another unqualified rando (Edward Dowd - zero relevant qualifications, and Jimmy Dore, litereally a stand-up comedian, and no relevant qualifications). You were presented with several reasons why even if the numbers that were quoted were true, nothing indicates causality with vaccines. You were also presented with a reason why this could happen after multiple infections, so
No. I think you need to do better and offer proof that it's not the clot shots that are causing the spikes in mortality. The data is correct by the way. The correlation of timing with the vax being rolled out and mortality rising in multiple different localities and different countries is just too strong at this point. I'll leave it to Dr Pierre Kory to sum up the situation.
“At this point, a young person dying unexpectedly, to me, unfortunately, it is the vaccine until proven otherwise,” says Dr. @PierreKory.
